Looking for good souls
goran at krampe.se
goran at krampe.se
Tue Apr 25 06:02:50 UTC 2006
Hi people!
Roel Wuyts <Roel.Wuyts at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> Hi Stef, you can count me in to show newbies around.
>
> I have the same problems other *teachers* using Squeak have, and that
> is that my students are afraid of this list (for various reasons). In
> the past I even created local lists so that they could communicate
> with me, some of my assistents, and each other. This has nothing to
> do with splitting the list!
The above paragraph is interesting in that obviously this *is* a problem
for especially many teachers. I wasn't aware of that, and I am pretty
sure most of us weren't. But it seems logical, so once more: create the
darn list. :) (still not seeing it on
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo)
> A stupid but effective way to guide people to this mailing list is:
> - having a clear footer that indicates that this is the new (or
> whatever name) mailing list, and that talks about the 'real' mailing
> list. No worries, as soon as they feel ready people will move.
> - the 'teachers' on the newbie list occasionaly have to reroute
> questions once they get beyod newbie questions. It is that plain and
> simple.
Agree.
> Note that adding such list will *grow* the community, not *split*
> it... How can it split when the people that will answer the newbies
> still belong to the squeak-dev as well ?! Do you think that because I
> am answering newbies I will no longer be interested in squeak-dev ?!
> This is crazy.
I also guess it will not in practice turn out harmful. Just note that
one scenario (however unplausible) is that squeak-dev gets "weaker" in
the sense that it misses out on all those
Simple-And-Obvious-Things-That-We-Oldtimers-Don't-See-Anymore. Numerous
frutiful discussions has started out with one of those "Sorry, but I
just don't get it..."-questions from a complete beginner.
But again, we will just see how it works.
> The 'do not split the mailing-lists' discussions in the past were
> said in a completely different context than for helping out newbies.
> We were talking about real variations of the language (with a real
> danger of splitting) or the community (the developers versus the
> sunday Squeakers). That is not the way to split this mailing list.
> But for helping out newbies, that is a different cause alltogether.
Probably.
regards, Göran
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