[V3dot9] Another try for pre-gamma: #7051

Marcus Denker denker at iam.unibe.ch
Fri Aug 4 11:47:46 UTC 2006


On 04.08.2006, at 03:42, Andreas Raab wrote:

> Marcus Denker wrote:
>> I removed it last week in the first try that resulted in the  
>> corrupted image... I forgot to do it again. We will do at least
>> one more iteration till gamma, so we can remove it in that batch.
>
> Thanks.
>
>> NBut honestly don't regard this is a "basic" image... it has lots  
>> and lots of stuff in it that is not needed, FFI is just one of these.
>> We will not do a "full" image this time (people can just install  
>> the packages they want, and a 'full' image would have needed
>> to be done and tested months ago).
>> So just consider it to be the new "full" image...
>
> So it's back to kitchen-sink.

Why? For me, this is just a sign that

a) we have only a limited amount of man power available
b) we don't have abstractions and tools that are good
      enough to make a real modular world practical.

e.g. as soon as we build the image from components, we *need* a  
automatic build-and-test server.
The way the 3.8full image was put together after the release of the  
basic image was completely
wrong: this would never scale to a real modular system.

And I am quite sure that the abstractions we have (e.g. PackageInfo)  
is not good enough for a true
modular image. We already now have huge problems that make even the  
maintenance of 3.9
in the current state a huge pain.

> How disappointing. How very, very disappointing.

It's nice to know that are so much pro modularity... I really should  
read again the
discussions of way-back-when. I don't recall to understood this  
position from your
postings back when people had lots of energy (3.8) for this...


    Marcus

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