Stef's departure from the SqueakFoundation board

stéphane ducasse ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Sun Aug 20 21:33:25 UTC 2006


Hi Daniel

Tx for point of views, so apparently there are ways if SqF would like  
to promote squeak and spend money for it....
At least we did it via ESUG, a really conference as you know, did not  
see you in the participant or student volunteer list this year :(.

But as I said I have problems to see someone telling SqF that they  
are bastards or spoiling the community
because they decided to spend some money to support the release and  
integration process that lead to the
next release and bug fixes! Which is for me the most important  
aspects of having a living and kicking system.
So may be they believe that bugs get integrated automagically or that  
this is not important enough.

I will stop now because I'm restarting to loop and this is bad for my  
nerves, better to continue with exams for idiots
failing in June (kill them all)

Stef

On 20 août 06, at 22:40, Daniel Vainsencher wrote:

> [python has paid projects]
> Andreas Raab wrote:
>> Uhm, well I don't think this is a bragging point ;-) Looking at it  
>> I notice these grants were given out once (in Oct '04) where based  
>> on the period of the grant (12 months) it was clearly intended to  
>> be repeated. Why it wasn't repeated I'm not sure about but it may  
>> have something to do with the fact that the above page says for  
>> two of the three projects that they were still under development  
>> as of Jan '06 and only one was finished. These are volunteer  
>> communities after all.
> That some projects will never be "complete" is to be expected -  
> that's risk for you ;-) This doesn't make sponsoring projects  
> impossible or automatically unwise... Its possible the Google  
> summer of code model is a better one http://code.google.com/ 
> summerofcode05.html they at least link to plenty of CVS/SVN  
> repositories :-)
>>
>>> BTW, its quite possible that someone might get pissed off no  
>>> matter how you do it, but that's part of life. The question is  
>>> doing it in a manner that only upsets few people, and encourages  
>>> active people. If we can vote in a board, we can certainly award  
>>> some funds.
>>
>> Unless it affects upfront promises, yes, I think we can. For  
>> example, I could easily imagine the SqF awarding some money to  
>> further the development of traits, spoon or whatever else. What I  
>> could *not* imagine is any upfront promise that the result of that  
>> work will be the basis for any particular Squeak release.  
>> Unfortunately, there seems to be a tendency to think that way  
>> because otherwise the money is considered "wasted" not counting  
>> that the gain in knowledge may be more valuable than the artifact.
> Sure. So you're not against sponsoring SummerTalk projects next  
> summer, as long as nothing gets promised? to me it even makes sense  
> that the mentor should be the maintainer of some code (so inclusion  
> is obviously controlled where it should be), and that his decision  
> whether the project is complete (and deserving payment) is only  
> partly linked to his taking the code (so he can decide a project is  
> good, but not good enough).
>
> Daniel
>
>




More information about the Squeak-dev mailing list