On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
> Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his
>> web log here : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp? 
>> thread=167318
>>
> this is sad to read:
>
> Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than  
> Smalltalk or
> Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will
> have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also,
> the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping  
> that a
> Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient.
> (At the Shuttleworth summit in April
> <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> I believe
> Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple
> graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator
> cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the
> other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.)
>
> -- 
> brad
> sonaural
>
>

Hi folks,

let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys  
and let us accept the challenge.

I googled for python IDEs today and found
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
and
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html

I have to say that I was not impressed.

The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
based on Qt (Eric4)
had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython

Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives  
for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a  
better place - if it is not Squeak?

Cheers,

Markus

p.s. another blog about Alan's talk can be found on
http://vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2006/07/03/europython-keynote-alan- 
kay-children-first

p.p.s. inspired by Paul Bissex - a guy who once wrote a small article  
about squeak for Wired - challenge on:
http://e-scribe.com/news/193
I wrote an Etoys version of this "reverse"-game.
It can be found on
http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/ 
smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr

(I hope you all have the squeakland plugin installed... ;-) )

It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I  included a  
smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much  
more sophisticated user interface.
So I do think that Etoys are the way to go... no matter what the  
language is underneath - be it smalltalk/python/ruby/etc...