... Children First!

(It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)

Cheers,

Alan

At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:
>Markus Gaelli wrote:
>>
>>On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
>>>Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>>>There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his
>>>>web log here : 
>>>><http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318 
>>>>
>>>this is sad to read:
>>>
>>>Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than Smalltalk or
>>>Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will
>>>have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also,
>>>the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping that a
>>>Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient.
>>>(At the Shuttleworth summit in April
>>><http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> I believe
>>>Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple
>>>graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator
>>>cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the
>>>other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.)
>>>
>>>--brad
>>>sonaural
>>>
>>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys and 
>>let us accept the challenge.
>>
>>I googled for python IDEs today and found
>><http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments>http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments 
>>
>>and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
>><http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html>http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html 
>>
>>and
>><http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html>http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html 
>>
>>
>>I have to say that I was not impressed.
>>
>>The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
>>based on Qt (Eric4)
>>had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
>>couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
>>or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython
>>
>>Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives for 
>>ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a better 
>>place - if it is not Squeak?
>I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes. And, Alan 
>can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of the paraphrase is 
>right, I think he's suggesting that Python can benefit from the work that 
>Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't know if he's referring to the IDE, 
>eToys, or what when he says "environment"
>
>--
>brad
>sonaural
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