> It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I  included a
> smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much

Hi Markus, I didn't see any Smalltalk on that page.  Just for fun I
coded up that reverse game and posted it, we'll see if it shows up.  It
was 8 lines "beating" Ruby by 2 lines and Python by 1.

Here's the code I ended up with:

numbers := (1 to: 9) asArray shuffled.
steps := 0.

[ Transcript cr; show: numbers.
numbers isSorted ] whileFalse:
	[ flipCount := (FillInTheBlank request: 'reverse how many?') asNumber.
	1 to: flipCount//2 do: [ :n | numbers swap: n with: flipCount-n+1 ].
	steps := steps + 1 ].

Transcript cr; show: 'done, that took you ', steps printString, '
steps.'

Strange, I'm not sure why there are ~20 languages (including "REBOL")
represented but no mention of Smalltalk anywhere, especially if you had
submitted it..

Cheers..


--- Markus Gaelli <gaelli at emergent.de> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
> > Serge Stinckwich wrote:
> >> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in
> his
> >> web log here : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
> >> thread=167318
> >>
> > this is sad to read:
> >
> > Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than
> > Smalltalk or
> > Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python
> will
> > have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one.
> Also,
> > the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping
> > that a
> > Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears
> expedient.
> > (At the Shuttleworth summit in April
> > <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> I
> believe
> > Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely
> simple
> > graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics
> accelerator
> > cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on
> the
> > other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for
> example.)
> >
> > --
> > brad
> > sonaural
> >
> >
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys
> and let us accept the challenge.
> 
> I googled for python IDEs today and found
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
> and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
> and
> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
> 
> I have to say that I was not impressed.
> 
> The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
> based on Qt (Eric4)
> had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
> couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
> or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython
> 
> Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives
> for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a
> better place - if it is not Squeak?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Markus
> 
> p.s. another blog about Alan's talk can be found on
> http://vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2006/07/03/europython-keynote-alan-
> kay-children-first
> 
> p.p.s. inspired by Paul Bissex - a guy who once wrote a small article
> about squeak for Wired - challenge on:
> http://e-scribe.com/news/193
> I wrote an Etoys version of this "reverse"-game.
> It can be found on
> http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/
> smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
> 
> (I hope you all have the squeakland plugin installed... ;-) )
> 
> It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I  included a
> smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much
> more sophisticated user interface.
> So I do think that Etoys are the way to go... no matter what the
> language is underneath - be it smalltalk/python/ruby/etc...
> 
> 
>