OT - Squeak and the Broader Software Community

stéphane ducasse ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Sat Jul 8 19:43:20 UTC 2006


Dan
I can understand and I'm sorry that we have nothing to offer.
But may be you could check vwxWidgets or the GTK binding and start  
from there.

Stef

On 8 juil. 06, at 20:25, Dan Shafer wrote:

> INteresting perspective, Trygve, and one that appears to have held  
> sway in the world of Smalltalk for a long, long time.
>
> "Don't let the paint dry just yet, we're still inventing!" But  
> THIRTY YEARS???!!!
>
> A few people have suggested, on this list and off, that I refer my  
> friends and colleagues to Dolphin Smalltalk (and, on OSX, to Ambrai  
> Smalltalk, which isn't nearly as far along yet). But one of the  
> reasons Smalltalk is in contention as a language for these projects  
> is its cross-platform nature. I don't want to give that up.
>
> I've been around the fringes of this stuff for more years than I'd  
> like to admit. I've written several books on it. I've helped write  
> two major systems in it. I'm kindly disposed toward it. AND, I know  
> what a huge undertaking it would be to fork off a variant that  
> would address the specific issues I think need addressing and an  
> even bigger job trying then to maintain compatibility with the  
> forward movement of Squeak. Yes, I know I could even build a  
> specialized vocabulary/language on top of Squeak and completely  
> alter the UI. I know others have done that. But my friends and  
> colleagues and clients have problems today that need solutions  
> today. It is just so frustrating to me that after so many years,  
> Saueak remains a laboratory, an exploration, a learning experience.  
> I am too old to start over!
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:
>
>> I see Squeak as a wonderful laboratory where hundreds of  
>> professional and amateur researchers can explore, share and test  
>> new ideas. My nightmare is that it should become a mainstream  
>> professional IDE prematurely. The need for "backward  
>> compatibility" could then be overwhelming, effectively hindering  
>> innovation. Send the application developers to Dolphin for the  
>> time being and permit the next Squeak version be incomatible with  
>> the last.
>
>




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