OT - Squeak and the Broader Software Community
stéphane ducasse
ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Sat Jul 8 19:43:20 UTC 2006
Dan
I can understand and I'm sorry that we have nothing to offer.
But may be you could check vwxWidgets or the GTK binding and start
from there.
Stef
On 8 juil. 06, at 20:25, Dan Shafer wrote:
> INteresting perspective, Trygve, and one that appears to have held
> sway in the world of Smalltalk for a long, long time.
>
> "Don't let the paint dry just yet, we're still inventing!" But
> THIRTY YEARS???!!!
>
> A few people have suggested, on this list and off, that I refer my
> friends and colleagues to Dolphin Smalltalk (and, on OSX, to Ambrai
> Smalltalk, which isn't nearly as far along yet). But one of the
> reasons Smalltalk is in contention as a language for these projects
> is its cross-platform nature. I don't want to give that up.
>
> I've been around the fringes of this stuff for more years than I'd
> like to admit. I've written several books on it. I've helped write
> two major systems in it. I'm kindly disposed toward it. AND, I know
> what a huge undertaking it would be to fork off a variant that
> would address the specific issues I think need addressing and an
> even bigger job trying then to maintain compatibility with the
> forward movement of Squeak. Yes, I know I could even build a
> specialized vocabulary/language on top of Squeak and completely
> alter the UI. I know others have done that. But my friends and
> colleagues and clients have problems today that need solutions
> today. It is just so frustrating to me that after so many years,
> Saueak remains a laboratory, an exploration, a learning experience.
> I am too old to start over!
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:
>
>> I see Squeak as a wonderful laboratory where hundreds of
>> professional and amateur researchers can explore, share and test
>> new ideas. My nightmare is that it should become a mainstream
>> professional IDE prematurely. The need for "backward
>> compatibility" could then be overwhelming, effectively hindering
>> innovation. Send the application developers to Dolphin for the
>> time being and permit the next Squeak version be incomatible with
>> the last.
>
>
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