On 8 juil. 06, at 22:55, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Stef....
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:43 PM, stéphane ducasse wrote:
>
>> I can understand and I'm sorry that we have nothing to offer.
>
> I certainly wouldn't go THAT far! For example, I'm spending some  
> serious time with Seaside this weekend. I need a Web app framework  
> for a series of upcoming projects. For those projects, native  
> widget look-and-feel is absolutely irrelevant. I like the  
> architectural ideas behind Seaside but I'm still at the very early  
> learning stage, so I'm not yet sure it's as usable and powerful as,  
> e.g., Django (Python) or TurboWidgets (also Python strangely  
> enough). I've tried Ruby on Rails and found it too opaque although  
> extremely powerful.

In which sense: fast results when starting with? May be one guy  
should release the Seaside on Rails he did. My impression with Ror
is that it is fast but then.

Have a look at netstyle.ch projects:
	- www.prolife.ch
	- www.squeaksource.com
for the public ones

or www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/pier/

did you look at www.dabbledb.com/utr
because this is a really cool seaside application.

BTW you can also use VW: it is platform independent and have Seaside  
too.

>> But may be you could check vwxWidgets or the GTK binding and start  
>> from there.
>
> I've been in touch with Rob on wxSqueak and have done some  
> experimenting with it on OS X. I plan to get it running on Windows  
> soon and see how it looks and feels there. That may be the ultimate  
> solution for a lot of what i want to do on the desktop, but for the  
> near term, that won't satisfy my clients and colleagues because the  
> wxSqueak stuff isn't yet ready to release.
>
> Dan (Still a Squeakin')
>