Proposal for a Squeak migration meeting

Hilaire Fernandes hilaire at ext.cri74.org
Mon Jun 26 07:13:29 UTC 2006


I am frowarding this answer from Chao-Kuei Hung as I am not sure it will
get in the Squeak-dev mailing list.

Hilaire


洪朝貴 a écrit :
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 01:23:26PM +0200, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
> 
>>
>>Cees De Groot a crit :
>>
>>>On 6/24/06, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire at ext.cri74.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Other people attending the meeting have shown absolutely *NO INTEREST*
>>>>in the matter, it is sad :(
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know. It might also be an indicator that the licensing
>>>"issues" are largely just perceived, or deemed to be PR stuff, or
>>>whatever. But not a real actual stumbling block to actual Squeak
>>>practicioners.
>>
>>I totally agree with you. The licensing "issues" does not prevent Squeak
>>to be a free software, it is just preventing Squeak to enter mainstream
>>in the free software community.
>>
>>Hilaire
> 
> 
> +1
> 
> I have been pushing Dr. Geo I into junior and senior high schools
> here in Taiwan. It was such a pleasure to know that Hilaire is
> releasing Dr. Geo II using LGPL. But for the moment I have to hold
> back the push for Dr. Geo II because it is built with Squeak,
> whose license issue is just about to be resolved yet. As Hilaire
> has frequently urged me to try, there must be a lot more other very
> interesting and useful tools in education built with Squeak just
> like Dr. Geo II.
> 
> Personally I wouldn't care the "small license bug" (as Hilaire calls
> it) when I demonstrate things to my nieces and nephews. When it comes
> to promoting the software publicly, it is totally different. As a
> long time FS advocate who have made peripheral contributions such
> as the "Software Category Drawing" on the gnu site, I would constantly
> get into defensive position about the license issue if I were to
> promote software with this license bug. The worst part is that the
> defense would be against the FS community, the force that built my
> reputation and strength. Political thinking? Yes, but practical
> nontheless. You chose to pursue Squeak because of practical
> considerations (in the technical sense) , and I chose not to because
> of the very same reason (in the political sense).
> 
> With high respect to the squeak community I plead your attention to
> the license issue. Now that the old version becomes free, I personally
> believe that it is only a matter of time that the entire thing becomes
> free and that major distributions start packaging this nice software
> in a few years. I will be glad to help rewrite some less important
> components whose authors can no longer be contacted for a change of
> license, and release it as LGPL or less retrictive license as the
> squeak community sees appropriate. (Good at geometry/algorithms/regexp,
> OK at OOP and many languages, no smalltalk experience.) When the
> license issue is comfortably resolved, I will then go back to the
> political arena and start a major push here in Taiwan ;-) BTW I
> believe there are many FS advocates around the world who hold more
> or less similar attitude. It would be beneficial to the squeak
> community and to the world at large if the squeak community announces
> the decision to move towards a "bug-free" license and call for
> participation to accelarate the transition.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 




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