Squeak and Namespaces

Bert Freudenberg bert at freudenbergs.de
Thu Nov 30 15:58:41 UTC 2006

On Nov 30, 2006, at 13:59 , Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:45 , Göran Krampe wrote:
>>> For
>>> a company, a quick stop gap is very needed because you have to  
>>> deliver a
>>> product in a specific time frame.  But squeak isn't under such
>>> constraints,
>>> so I don't personally see a rush to put something in the image  
>>> for this.
>> Hehe, rush? Are you aware of when I wrote this? Are you aware of  
>> how many
>> posts I have written about it? Are you aware of how awfully many  
>> times the
>> question of Namespaces have come up on the list? It is one of the  
>> "deadly
>> subjects" always causing an explosion of subjective views and  
>> always end
>> in nada.
> Indeed, which is why I am inclined to say "Put up, or shut up".  
> Göran has a simple understandable implementation that people could  
> at least try to see how it feels. Then there is Andreas' namespaces  
> in Tweak, which are very similar to Göran's IIUC, but are not  
> hooked up to any UI yet. Dan/Henrik had a complex implementation  
> that people tried hard to understand or even use, so it was  
> abandoned (although the #environment hooks are still tehre for  
> further experiments). I don't think I saw another concrete proposal  
> in code form.

That may sound a bit like me trying to stifle the discussion. Not at  

Actually, I'd very much appreciate a competing proposal. Like, one  
that does not require a syntax change but still remains readable. Or  
one that does not require browser magic to transform the fully  
qualified names to short names. I'd just like to see any claims of  
superiority supported by something tangible to evaluate ;)

- Bert -

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