Removing Etoys (was Re: A process proposal for 3.10)

jvuletich at dc.uba.ar jvuletich at dc.uba.ar
Wed Oct 18 18:45:38 UTC 2006


Ron, Marcus,

I guess you're volunteering for this to happen?

Cheers,
Juan Vuletich
>
> On Oct 18, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
>
>> Any chance we could instead make EToys removable, but leave it in
>> the base
>> image so that if, in the future, Squeakland or Tweak would like to
>> resync
>> with squeak that will still be possible?  I don't like the idea of
>> hard
>> coding community fragmentation.
>>
>> Ron Teitelbaum
>
> +1
>
> Markus
>
>>
>>> From: jvuletich at dc.uba.ar
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:59 AM
>>>
>>> Hi Milan,
>>>
>>> It is hard to say, but it is a huge effort. May be in the 1000 hours
>>> range. May be much more than that. I don't think it's worth doing.
>>>
>>> For eToying, I'd use the Squeakland release, or may be 3.8 or 3.9.
>>> Or the
>>> new Tweak based, when available.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Juan Vuletich
>>>
>>>> Juan,
>>>>
>>>> Once eToys are removed (and as you suggested perhaps 20-30 hours
>>>> work),
>>> do
>>>> you
>>>> think it is reasonbly possible to have them loadable again? I am not
>>>> asking
>>>> you to do the "reload" piece of work, rather asking about your
>>>> feeling
>>>> about
>>>> whether reloadability is possible, and what number of hours would
>>>> you
>>>> estimate to make eToys loadable (if such question even makes
>>>> sense :) -
>>> in
>>>> very rough number, 10, 100, 1000 hours sort of thing). The reason
>>>> I am
>>>> asking, and perhaps there are others in this camp, is that for my
>>> personal
>>>> playing with squeak I mostly play with eToys, and would have to
>>>> either
>>>> help
>>>> the reloading effort (which I will, but my abilities cannot
>>>> guarantee
>>>> much :) ) or switch to squeakland image. In any case, work towards a
>>> small
>>>> well-defined "squeak core" (with hopefully loadable packages)  makes
>>>> sense.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Milan
>>>>
>>>> On 2006 October 18 06:10, Juan Vuletich wrote:
>>>>> So, this seems a good time to remove eToys from the official
>>>>> release. I
>>>>> can team with Pavel and Stef (and any other volunteer) to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, it will take some 20 or 30 hours of work, and I think
>>>>> we need
>>>>> to know if this will be adopted, otherwise I won't spend time on
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the Board could lead, and make a decision, or enlight me
>>>>> about
>>>>> the decision process for issues like this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Juan Vuletich
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>>>> The SqueakLand people don't use 3.9, and I am quite sure they
>>>>>> never
>>>>> will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Etoys 1 is past live-cycle. There is 3.8/OLPC which is a cool
>>>>>> Etoys
>>>>>> image for eToys1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the future, there needs to be a new eToys2 that is
>>>>>> maintainable.
>>>>>> There is a very cool demo of a next-gen eToys based on Tweak.
>>>>>> That seems, to me, much more the thing to take a look at for the
>>>>> future
>>>>>> eToy system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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