Hi Juan,

I believe that there are a number of people willing to work with a group to
help meet common goals for a number of varying reasons.  I also believe that
there are people that are willing to help if an easier path for their
contribution is forged.  I have received enough help and contributions from
people in this community to know that this is true.  I'm not saying that
someone can come up and say, "You do this, and you do that!" but I am saying
that there are a number of projects that people will work on given better
organization and feedback.  The opportunity to learn and work with very
talented people is sometimes incentive enough.

In some cases you are correct, and if the community in general agrees that
we need something but no one is willing to step up and either organize an
effort or do the work themselves then we should consider other incentives to
make it happen.  I don't think one size fits all.  The only way we will know
what needs to be done is to incorporate better users feedback.

Ron

> From: jvuletich at dc.uba.ar 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:43 AM
> 
> Hi Ron.
> 
> You seem to believe there are people around who are wishing to implement
> stuff just because others want it, not because of their own interest.
> 
> Well, I'm pretty sure there's none.
> 
> So, if the very people who are contributing specific ideas is not willing
> to work on them, who will?
> 
> If we don't find an answer to this question, me must accept answers like
> "you do it and it's done".
> 
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
> 
> > I agree with you and have been thinking about the implications of
> scratch
> > your own itch programming.  I firmly believe that this community would
> > benefit from listing to users and integrating user feedback into the
> > process.  We need to find a way to work together to meet the common goal
> > of
> > relevance for each participating group.  There is a lot going on in the
> > community and I believe we would benefit from integrating the many
> itches
> > that are currently being scratched.  Past that we should be looking for
> > ways
> > to better organize and incorporate user feedback into development teams.
> > (I
> > learned this valuable lesson in the business world: There is nothing
> worse
> > then spending valuable resources developing terrific features that
> nobody
> > really wants or needs).
> >
> > I also believe that there are a number of programmers willing to
> > participate
> > but are not able to lead these efforts mostly because of time
> constraints
> > (not ability).  We need a way to incorporate private company's
> > contributions, research projects, volunteer efforts, and user's needs
> into
> > a
> > cohesive process that advances Squeak towards relevance.  I'm not sure
> how
> > we are going to get there, but it will be a very good place when we do.
> >
> > Ron Teitelbaum
> > President / Principal Software Engineer
> > US Medical Record Specialists
> > Ron at USMedRec.com
> >
> >> From: Stéphane Rollandin
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:10 AM
> >>
> >> too often on this list we see questions or reports like "this feature
> is
> >> broken could it be fixed ?" or "that feature would be nice to have"
> that
> >> are only answered by a blunt (and in my view quite rude) "then are you
> >> ready to work on it ?".
> >>
> >> I am tired of this trick. a more correct answer would be in the line of
> >> "nobody seems to be engaged in doing this, sorry".
> >>
> >> I don't see the need to pressure people, especially publicly, and
> >> especially people who participate in the debate about the future of
> >> Squeak.
> >>
> >> these people should better be thanked for their interest. they are
> >> contributing ideas and opinions, ok it's not code, but it's not
> >> valueless either.
> >>
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Stef
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>