What's over the horizon?

J J azreal1977 at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 12 19:28:07 UTC 2007


Is there some reason we can't just load Tweak in a regular Squeak 3.9/10 
image?


>From: Martin Wirblat <sql.mawi at t-link.de>
>Reply-To: sql.mawi at t-link.de, The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>Subject: Re: What's over the horizon?
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:57:14 +0200
>
>Bert,
>
>thanks for responding. I think people don't worry so much about Tweak 
>vanishing but they feel unsure if they should bet on it for "non-Croquet" 
>2d-only applications.
>
>Learning a new UI-framework and porting an app or making a new one with it 
>is a considerable investment. For many Squeakers this would probably 
>involve the decision to switch to Croquet from Squeak and not try to ride 
>two horses at the same time. But you wouldn't like to find out later that 
>today Tweak is only thought as a minimal 2d-support for Croquet and not 
>anymore as the successor of Morphic for something like Squeak.
>
>I just learned about the new Croquet release as an alternative to the image 
>of the somewhat stale tweakproject.org site.
>
>So which of the following images should one use to start with?
>
>- iTweak-3.8-6665.zip from tweakproject.org or
>- CroquetSDK-1.0.18/deployment/Homebase.image
>   which can load the Tweak system from a MC repository.
>
>Regards,
>Martin
>
>
>
>Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>I find developing UIs with Tweak pleasant - the largest I worked on was 
>>Etoys 2. Many things work much nicer than other UI frameworks I've used. 
>>For example, the coalescing of events is not something that I had problems 
>>with - but others find it confusing, and I wouldn't rule out completely 
>>that there are still bugs lurking in there.
>>
>>That said, if something goes wrong it indeed is hard to follow what 
>>happened in the debugger. IMHO this is mainly due to not enough usage it 
>>gets - the Morphic tools are useful and mature only because they were used 
>>and improved in day-to-day work by its developers. Nobody spent much time 
>>on the Tweak tools yet. E.g., the Sophie developers could not spend time 
>>on improving the tools because they were too busy developing Sophie (which 
>>also is much more complex UI-wise than your regular app).
>>
>>I'd suggest you just try it for some project. Tweak is well and alive as 
>>the default 2D UI in Croquet so I wouldn't worry about it vanishing any 
>>time soon.
>>
>>- Bert -
>>
>
>
>

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