What's over the horizon?
J J
azreal1977 at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 12 19:49:52 UTC 2007
Aha, this is what I was curious about. I looked a little at the tweak site
a few times. Does it talk about this extended object system and what it
does? Or is this for the async message stuff?
Thanks,
Jason
>From: Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>To: The general-purpose Squeak developers
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>Subject: Re: What's over the horizon?
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:45:26 +0200
>
>Try :)
>
>Tweak builds an extended object system on top of Squeak. It depends on
>certain meta class protocols that might have changed since 3.8. It took
>much effort to port from 3.6 to 3.8. Maybe porting to 3.9 would be simpler
>(one goal of the 3.9 team was making "meta" experiments easier), but I
>would not bet on it.
>
>- Bert -
>
>On Apr 12, 2007, at 21:28 , J J wrote:
>
>>Is there some reason we can't just load Tweak in a regular Squeak 3.9/10
>>image?
>>
>>
>>>From: Martin Wirblat <sql.mawi at t-link.de>
>>>Reply-To: sql.mawi at t-link.de, The general-purpose Squeak developers
>>>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>>To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>>Subject: Re: What's over the horizon?
>>>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:57:14 +0200
>>>
>>>Bert,
>>>
>>>thanks for responding. I think people don't worry so much about Tweak
>>>vanishing but they feel unsure if they should bet on it for
>>>"non-Croquet" 2d-only applications.
>>>
>>>Learning a new UI-framework and porting an app or making a new one with
>>>it is a considerable investment. For many Squeakers this would probably
>>>involve the decision to switch to Croquet from Squeak and not try to
>>>ride two horses at the same time. But you wouldn't like to find out
>>>later that today Tweak is only thought as a minimal 2d-support for
>>>Croquet and not anymore as the successor of Morphic for something like
>>>Squeak.
>>>
>>>I just learned about the new Croquet release as an alternative to the
>>>image of the somewhat stale tweakproject.org site.
>>>
>>>So which of the following images should one use to start with?
>>>
>>>- iTweak-3.8-6665.zip from tweakproject.org or
>>>- CroquetSDK-1.0.18/deployment/Homebase.image
>>> which can load the Tweak system from a MC repository.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>I find developing UIs with Tweak pleasant - the largest I worked on was
>>>>Etoys 2. Many things work much nicer than other UI frameworks I've
>>>>used. For example, the coalescing of events is not something that I had
>>>>problems with - but others find it confusing, and I wouldn't rule out
>>>>completely that there are still bugs lurking in there.
>>>>
>>>>That said, if something goes wrong it indeed is hard to follow what
>>>>happened in the debugger. IMHO this is mainly due to not enough usage
>>>>it gets - the Morphic tools are useful and mature only because they
>>>>were used and improved in day-to-day work by its developers. Nobody
>>>>spent much time on the Tweak tools yet. E.g., the Sophie developers
>>>>could not spend time on improving the tools because they were too busy
>>>>developing Sophie (which also is much more complex UI-wise than your
>>>>regular app).
>>>>
>>>>I'd suggest you just try it for some project. Tweak is well and alive
>>>>as the default 2D UI in Croquet so I wouldn't worry about it vanishing
>>>>any time soon.
>>>>
>>>>- Bert -
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