What's over the horizon?

J J azreal1977 at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 12 19:49:52 UTC 2007


Aha, this is what I was curious about.  I looked a little at the tweak site 
a few times.  Does it talk about this extended object system and what it 
does?  Or is this for the async message stuff?

Thanks,
Jason


>From: Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>Subject: Re: What's over the horizon?
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:45:26 +0200
>
>Try :)
>
>Tweak builds an extended object system on top of Squeak. It depends  on 
>certain meta class protocols that might have changed since 3.8. It  took 
>much effort to port from 3.6 to 3.8. Maybe porting to 3.9 would  be simpler 
>(one goal of the 3.9 team was making "meta" experiments  easier), but I 
>would not bet on it.
>
>- Bert -
>
>On Apr 12, 2007, at 21:28 , J J wrote:
>
>>Is there some reason we can't just load Tweak in a regular Squeak  3.9/10 
>>image?
>>
>>
>>>From: Martin Wirblat <sql.mawi at t-link.de>
>>>Reply-To: sql.mawi at t-link.de, The general-purpose Squeak  developers 
>>>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>>To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>>Subject: Re: What's over the horizon?
>>>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:57:14 +0200
>>>
>>>Bert,
>>>
>>>thanks for responding. I think people don't worry so much about  Tweak 
>>>vanishing but they feel unsure if they should bet on it for  
>>>"non-Croquet" 2d-only applications.
>>>
>>>Learning a new UI-framework and porting an app or making a new one  with 
>>>it is a considerable investment. For many Squeakers this  would probably 
>>>involve the decision to switch to Croquet from  Squeak and not try to 
>>>ride two horses at the same time. But you  wouldn't like to find out 
>>>later that today Tweak is only thought  as a minimal 2d-support for 
>>>Croquet and not anymore as the  successor of Morphic for something like 
>>>Squeak.
>>>
>>>I just learned about the new Croquet release as an alternative to  the 
>>>image of the somewhat stale tweakproject.org site.
>>>
>>>So which of the following images should one use to start with?
>>>
>>>- iTweak-3.8-6665.zip from tweakproject.org or
>>>- CroquetSDK-1.0.18/deployment/Homebase.image
>>>   which can load the Tweak system from a MC repository.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>I find developing UIs with Tweak pleasant - the largest I worked  on was 
>>>>Etoys 2. Many things work much nicer than other UI  frameworks I've 
>>>>used. For example, the coalescing of events is  not something that I had 
>>>>problems with - but others find it  confusing, and I wouldn't rule out 
>>>>completely that there are  still bugs lurking in there.
>>>>
>>>>That said, if something goes wrong it indeed is hard to follow  what 
>>>>happened in the debugger. IMHO this is mainly due to not  enough usage 
>>>>it gets - the Morphic tools are useful and mature  only because they 
>>>>were used and improved in day-to-day work by  its developers. Nobody 
>>>>spent much time on the Tweak tools yet.  E.g., the Sophie developers 
>>>>could not spend time on improving the  tools because they were too busy 
>>>>developing Sophie (which also is  much more complex UI-wise than your 
>>>>regular app).
>>>>
>>>>I'd suggest you just try it for some project. Tweak is well and  alive 
>>>>as the default 2D UI in Croquet so I wouldn't worry about  it vanishing 
>>>>any time soon.
>>>>
>>>>- Bert -
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