The sites I looked at just had a summary first, which squeak.org did when I 
looked.  Maybe add a little bit more?  I don't think the whole about needs 
to go up there as it is kind of long.


>From: Karl <karl.ramberg at chello.se>
>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>Subject: Re: Could we fix the web site
>Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:47:54 +0100
>
>J J wrote:
>>
>>Well what do other people do? Haskell is pretty popular these days. Here 
>>is their site:
>>http://haskell.org
>>
>http://www.python.org/ has 'about python' first.
>http://www.java.com is just ads and presentations
>http://www.erlang.org is just news
>http://www.perl.org is a table/menu of links and then news
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspx is news/tutorials
>and ads
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspx is news/tutorials
>
>There seems there is no general consensus about what should be first.
>But if the majority of Squeakers think the 'about' should be fist it's
>easy to change.
>I'm not sure about getting just headlines though... Brad?
>Karl
>
>>
>>
>>>From: Joshua Gargus <schwa at fastmail.us>
>>>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>>>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>>To: The general-purpose Squeak developers 
>>>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>>Subject: Re: Could we fix the web site
>>>Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:05 -0800
>>>
>>>Stephane makes a good point. If we want http://squeak.org to be the 
>>>public face of Squeak to the outside world, then the news feeds should 
>>>absolutely not appear at the very top. Instead, the Welcome! section 
>>>should come first to give a basic understanding of the entire site. That 
>>>much is clear (right? if not, why?)
>>>
>>>We could then go on to debate some more ambiguous decisions. For example, 
>>>within the news section, I would put the squeak.org-specific "Posted 
>>>News" above the external "News Feeds". However, I have other things to do 
>>>this fine Saturday than to push hard on that point, or similar ones.
>>>
>>>Happy weekend Squeaking,
>>>Josh
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:28 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>>Karl
>>>>
>>>>really I'm quite annoyed. I cannot tell you all the story behind my mail 
>>>>but this is not a simple idiot remark.
>>>>Can't we get the welcome paragraph in the first place?
>>>>Should I really totally boycott Squeak?
>>>>Don't you understand that we are in a world where people communicate and 
>>>>judge on form?
>>>>
>>>>News Feed as a title of the first item of the page that describes squeak 
>>>>is not a smart choice. For somehow not knowing at all
>>>>what squeak is about and that does not really care about getting 
>>>>involved but just want to give a glance.
>>>>
>>>>Then there are 5 typos in the following text. So the fact that we do not 
>>>>control (or may be somebody edited the text and the list by hand)
>>>>what is published there would push us to be cautious and not put it up 
>>>>front.
>>>>
>>>>"Croquet Edit and Create 3d Objects
>>>>Howard Stearns reciently replyed to a question from Mathieu. I thought 
>>>>I’d reporduce his response here. Howard give a lot of very good 
>>>>information about Croquet support for third party tools...."
>>>>
>>>>So what I suggest is to swap the welcome and the news feeds. I think 
>>>>that this is important.
>>>>
>>>>Stef
>>>>
>>>>On 6 janv. 07, at 18:53, Karl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>stephane ducasse wrote:
>>>>>>Hi karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>my point is about the place of the news on the web site. I think that 
>>>>>>we need something that anybody (and certainly someone
>>>>>>evaluating me can understand). When people click on my cv on the 
>>>>>>squeak web site, it should be great.
>>>>>>And the news section should not be the top items. Or I can remove all 
>>>>>>the links I have on my sites and cv to squeak.org but this
>>>>>>would be sad because imagine a person not knowing anything about 
>>>>>>squeak going to the site and reading the first paragraph right now.
>>>>>The first paragraph is about the OLPC which has Squeak as part of it's 
>>>>>software. I would consider that a very big news item.
>>>>>The frontpage got very static and nobody updated it and nobody wants to 
>>>>>lead the web team so this was a good solution for us, since a webpage 
>>>>>that newer changes is a dead webpage, at least in my book.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The news feed is from news.squeak.org so if you join the news team 
>>>>>>>you will be able to post directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not want. I have nothing against news and I have nothing to say.
>>>>>I find that hard to believe ;-)
>>>>>Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Typos and other standards of posting to the news feed should probably 
>>>>>>>be addressed to the news team.
>>>>>>>Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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