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> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:squeak-dev-
> bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Craig Latta
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:25 PM
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: re: how to become modular
> 
> 
> Hi Trygve--
> 
> > When I tried to start SPOON at the end of May, I followed your
> > instructions to "view the current _installed modules"...
> 
>      You're referring to text within the alpha release itself (the
> webpage presented on startup).
> 
> > ...but got an error. When I reported it, you answered "Great, you
got
> > as far as trying that! :) Those things don't actually work in that
> > release, stay tuned for the next release."
> 
>      Now you're referring to a private email message I sent directly
to
> you.
> 
> > I may be naive, but I did not expect you to invite me to spend my
time
> > on things that just cannot work.
> 
>      With all due respect, yes, I would call that naive with regard to
> what "alpha software" is. We seem to be repeating ourselves here. I
> think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
> 
> > I know error 33 came from PARC; I was there.
> 
>      I know you were, that's why I thought it was a compelling thing
to
> elaborate upon that point in this discussion with you.
> 
> > But you misunderstand it. It leaves you free to reinvent the world,
> > but warns me about prematurely building on your results.
> 
>      I understand that quite well. I was pointing out other even worse
> errors that can arise from attempts to avoid that situation.
> 
> > I do not insist on small incremental changes.
> 
>      I was not referring specifically to you, but to the Squeak
> community on the whole.
> 
> > > > Still, I do want to try SPOON. But I got wary when I followed
the
> > > > installation directions and immediately crashed. Perhaps the
> > > > project hasn't got as far as I expected.
> > >
> > > It is indeed alpha software currently, as marked. Still, I hadn't
> > > thought that would keep people from considering possibilities.
> >
> > You first have to give me something to consider... :-)
> 
>      Well, I thought I had: a vision for how Squeak could work, and
the
> design ideas I am pursuing to get there.
> 
> > I appreciate your unpleasant situation - so many important ideas
> > waiting to be realized and nobody willing to pay your living
expenses.
> 
>      Trygve, forgive me, but I think you are venturing into extremely
> inappropriate territory here. I had never brought my personal
financial
> situation into this discussion, and I would appreciate that you
refrain
> from doing so. Furthermore, what you have said is untrue. Since 2002 I
> have made my living as an independent consultant. While I do announce
> when I have available time, I have clients.
> 
>      If you would like to continue this conversation, may I suggest
you
> do so in private, and not on this mailing list? Thank you.
> 
> > So, as I have said before. SPOON is too promising to be stopped.
> 
> 
>      thanks again,
> 
> -C
> 
> --
> Craig Latta
> improvisational musical informaticist
> www.netjam.org
> Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
>