Box-Admins Team Report for May, 2007

Ken Causey ken at
Thu Jun 7 17:10:08 UTC 2007

You're right there is some duplication and overlap.  There are multiple
reasons for this I believe.  One of the biggest ones is simply
historical.  Up until a couple of years ago all bugs, fixes,
enhancements were posted to this list and that was the one and only way
to communicate them to the community.  Despite the time that has passed,
this habit has not been completely dropped.

Not everyone is happy with Mantis.  I certainly am not, but I'm somewhat
of a pragmatist and believe we have to use the tools we have while we
work on better ones.  For the moment I'm looking forward to Gjallar.

We can't force consolidation.  We can simply strongly suggest direction
for it and try to make the transition as easy as possible.  I think that
as the tools improve and we improve our own understanding of what we
need and what works best (and I personally think we still have a lot to
learn on that subject) I'm confident that consolidation on procedure
will improve.


On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 12:57 +0530, subbukk wrote:
> Ken,
> Thank you and your team for all the efforts you put into keeping the sites up. 
> It is really amazing that such a small team has been able to manage so many 
> sites and resources.
> Before the web, programmers worked primarily with newsgroups/mailing lists and 
> used ftp sites for large files (and stuff like FAQs). Monthly and quarterly 
> updates about FAQ and new releases served to bring newbies upto speed. It 
> worked fine even for those of us who were not online all the time.
> With Squeak, I see a lot of duplication in function between the lists and 
> mantis.  The community comes alive in squeak-dev and beginners mailing lists. 
> Bugs get discussed in mailing lists for confirmation before being posted to 
> mantis. Many tentative fixes get circulated outside of mantis. The bugs site 
> does organize reports, owners and patches by releases. It is much easier to 
> find the list of resolved issues on a per-release basis. On the other hand, I 
> saw 1 issue resolved for 3.8 and 12 issues resolved for 3.9. Given such small 
> numbers and the fact that the list is read much more than updated, the squeak 
> wiki/ftp site would have served as well.
> Would consolidation help?
> Just a suggestion .. Subbu
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