Paying for projects

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at
Fri Jun 29 06:04:56 UTC 2007

Excellent idea!
Keep us informed


On 27 juin 07, at 23:37, J J wrote:

> Hi all,
> As you have probably seen, I see a lot of things I want to see done  
> in Smalltalk, but I don't have time to do any of it.  My "eyes are  
> bigger then my stomach" as it were.  So it occurred to me today  
> that a possible solution to this problem would be to simply pay to  
> have some of the work done.
> So to that end, I would like anyone who would be interested to let  
> me know.  I will set up a mailing list for any people would want to  
> be take (or give) projects.  I will suggest my project on the list,  
> you can answer me privately (or publicly) with your bids.  I will  
> select someone, and publicly announce that it has been filled.   
> After that it depends; we can talk publicly over the list, or use  
> an intermediate like rentacoder [1] to ensure that both sides are  
> safe.  That is, I don't want to pay if I can't use the finished  
> product, nor do I want the person doing the work to fear that they  
> may get nothing for it.
> We can negotiate the different things, time frames, price,  
> features.  I mostly only be doing smallish projects.  The payouts  
> would probably be on the order of $50 - $100 USD but the projects  
> should be small (and often) as well.  And if this catches on, there  
> could be much bigger projects or people may chip in to sweeten some  
> of the more interesting pots.
> Some people have expressed concerns about bounties in the past that  
> people might have their feelings hurt if they don't get picked.  So  
> I would just like to point out, this has nothing to do with the  
> board or anything else.  This is just something I wanted to do.  I  
> will choose the person the same way any worker is chosen for a  
> given, i.e. the best fit/price/availability/reputation.
> The payout will work in the same way it's done on rentacoder:  We  
> have a bid off for who will do the job, negotiate the parameters  
> and pick the best overall fit, then you do the work, then when it's  
> finished if I accept you are paid.  If I don't accept you can try  
> to bring it up to spec, decide to give up, or ask for an  
> arbitration if you think you have met requirements.  In the case of  
> the rentacoder site, the payment money is deposited as soon as I  
> accept a bidder so no one can "take their ball and go home".
> I'm a big experimenter so many of the projects may be that you get  
> paid and then never hear anything more (because I decide I don't  
> want to go that way after all).  But hopefully the money can soften  
> that blow a little. :)
> And lastly, I know Squeak is largely a gift community, and I don't  
> want to upset that.  I think it is good that people give things to  
> the community (and I will most likely release everything I pay  
> for).  I don't want to create a situation where everyone expects to  
> be paid for everything.  This is simply a case that I have not  
> managed to get anyone interested in my ideas by talking, I can't  
> realize them myself (this decade anyway), so my last option is to pay.
> Thanks,
> Jason
> [1]  The advantage of using rentacoder as an intermediate is that  
> it's established, and everyone will see the projects so it will be  
> more smalltalk exposure.
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