2008/4/24 Norbert Hartl <norbert at hartl.name>:

> On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 11:23 +1000, Edward Stow wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert at hartl.name>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 08:20 +1000, Edward Stow wrote:
> > >  > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez
> > >  > <m.coba.m at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  > > >
> > >  > >  I use squeak inside a chroot as per instructions here:
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
> > >  > >
> > >  > >  as there is no 64 bit perfect setup for squeak
> > >  > >
> > >  > >  I installed squeak inside the chroot with the repositories from
> squeak.org
> > >  > > (section other OSes)
> > >  > >
> > >  > >  hope this help
> > >  >
> > >  > Yes is does -- it does confirm that a simple install is not
> available
> > >  > for amd64 architecture.  By simple, I mean  sudo apt-get install
> > >  > squeak.
> > >
> > >  > And it doesn't.  I have a hard time convincing my sys admins and
> their
> > >  > bosses to take seriously a package that does not have a
> > >  > straightforward install process on 64 bit machines.
> > >  >
> > >  > chroot'ing in their words is for 'legacy and un-supported systems
> that
> > >  > should not be installed on a production server.'
> > >  >
> > >  > I am trying to set up a demonstration server that will allow squeak
> > >  > with seaside to be considered a viable alternative.  I should say
> that
> > >  > I'm not a sys admin and am feeling very frustrated with the lack of
> > >  > installable options.
> > >  >
> > >  > So please ... could those that maintain the debian and / or other
> os
> > >  > vms create an installable 64 bit deb and / or rpm.
> > >  >
> > >
> > >  At the moment there is no packaged version which does compile on
> amd64.
> > >  Otherwise it would be quite simple to create such a package. You can
> run
> > >  32 bit applications on 64 bit but on a debian package level this is
> not
> > >  an easy task to achieve.
> > >
> > >  If you want to setup an demonstration server why you don't take the
> > >  installer script which comes with the vm package on squeakvm.org ?
> This
> > >  installs the 32bit binaries on your machine.
> > >
> > >  I created a package for you which is a amd64 target ubuntu package
> which
> > >  contains the binaries from the 3.10.1 i686 package from
> squeakvm.org.[1]
> > >  It installs into /opt/squeak. You can use use
> > >
> > >  /opt/squeak/bin/squeakvm YOUR-IMAGE
> > >
> > >  to start squeak. Don't be misled by the ubuntu in the package name.
> It
> > >  should install on debian as well.
> > >
> > >  Let me know if you have trouble using it.
> > >
> > >  [1] http://selfish.org/files/deb/squeak-vm-i686_0.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
> > >
> > >  Norbert
> >
> > Thanks that works.
> >
> > But this is really a plea --- My guess is that 95% of potential users
> > would have stopped by now  when apt-get install does not work.
> >
> Yes, sure it is. For the desktop side of the software the barrier is
> lowered with the one-click experience images.
> To be honest. How far will you get on a server if an easy installation
> is your barrier? squeak does not provide any start/stop scripts for the
> image. There is no maintenance scripts nor is there logging. You have
> to know your software in order to use it properly. You are right I often
> wish, too, that some things are achievable easier. But that includes the
> configuration of a apache/tomcat webserver, too.
> If you pass all this you still have to beat your sys admins. And that is
> a hard task :) Taking your arguments (from the sys ads) and my
> assumption that you are using java server stuff there is a huge gap.
> They say "un-supported" and they use debian which is an OS which is not
> supported. You should use ubuntu for that. They care about production
> systems and they use a 64 bit OS version. There are really less needs to
> have a 64 bit OS nowadays but there are still some problems. If I care
> about stability I use 32 bit these days. Are you using java? Java on 64
> bit linux systems is just not stable. Openjdk is getting there slowly
> but it is IMHO not production ready. So I assume you use the 32 bit
> ones. Then were is the difference? That in debian there is package which
> installs you "legacy" 32 bit code on your 64 bit platform. That is
> exactly what my package does. If a lot of people think this is a way to
> go I would maintain such a package for some time.
>


I may not have explain it well: the package in Debian is a pure 64 bits
package.

I can not understand the reasons for your answer or the reason of this
thread: in an Debian lenny/sid amd64 machine: "apt-get install squeak-vm"
just works.


Regards.
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