Stef,

Appreciate what you are doing here. I think a fork can bring renewed
focus and energy.

--David

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:20 AM, stephane ducasse
<stephane.ducasse at free.fr> wrote:
> Edgar
>
>  We are not saying that nebraska is crap. It can be fun.
>  Now may be your students find it fun, however when I show squeak to
> students I would like to be proud of it
>  and when they find Morph (with more than 1000 methods) or see that compiler
> is dependent of the UI
>  then if they are smart they will think that I'm stupid, that Smalltalk is
> shit....So I never lie to students and tell them
>  Smalltalk is a cool idea but Squeak needs some works to really shine and
> that we are working on it. Smart guys can then
>  choose and do not consider Smalltalk = Squeak = Shit.
>  Now in Sapphire we simply do not ***accept*** anymore to lose our time
> maintaining experiences from the past. I hate to see
>  halospec defined in Preferences, to see all the dependencies introduced by
> etoy. Etoy is a cool experience and a successful one
>  (I translated in french the etoy book so I do not have to convince anybody
> that I supported it)
>  but it does not mean that we have to live under its tyranny. We maintained
> 3.9 paying attention to break as less as possible.
>  We removed dilaectStream and other tiles based experiences that polluted
> all the AST. Experimenting is cool but when an experience
>  is done either it should be cleaned up and lead to production code or we
> should drop it.
>  Now we are free (open-source :)). You do not have to use what we will
> produce - just read our books :)
>  But we will not lie to people, with what we are doing: no etoy, no
> nebraska, no experiences will be maintained.
>  It does not mean that people will not be able to work to load back etoy
> into it but this is not our concerns.
>  The only constraint we fix to ourselves is that Seaside runs on it and make
> sure that people will be able to develop and invent their
>  future with a clean and lean Smalltalk.
>
>  We always have in mind the quote of dan stating that a single man should be
> able to understand Smalltalk, with a clean system
>  with beautiful interfaces this should be possible.
>
>  Stef
>
>
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>  On Apr 24, 2008, at 11:50 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
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> > El 4/24/08 12:08 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" <tapplek at gmail.com> escribió:
> >
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> > > Contributions are valuable. They are not crap. Do not call them
> > > such.
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> >
> > I don't think any in Squeak or any honest contribution is crap.
> > But if you read this list , you could see some think this way.
> > Remember they said Nebraska is crap.
> > Still my students open wide his eyes showing how in 3.10 people could
> > connect two others computers and send simple morphs...
> >
> >
> > > Nobody here has this attitude. Please stop accusing people of
> > > bad motives. You are hurting people by saying things like this.
> > > Please stop
> > >
> >
> > Well , I finish this. No point as bad players continue his ways and I
> can't
> > do nothing to change.
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