We need to relax a little

stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sat Feb 2 18:00:59 UTC 2008


you can read to archive to see that I dream too about a small  
kernel ....
Now some people promised too much and did too few so that I can trust  
them.

Stef

> First of all, I would say, thath I appreciate your work..very much.  
> I admire you, like I admire all the "Squeak's Masters".
>
> This message, is for all the community.
>
> Probably, I'm not the right person to speak, because, I'm only a  
> newbie, learning this fantastic world, and I'm more an observer than  
> a contributor (sad to me).
>
> I'm concerned because in all the time I'm in this list, always thath  
> the team want to improve, or do some thing to the project, the  
> people thath disagree, create a fork, or don't want to help.
>
> The forks are not good for any project. In spanish maillist (as all  
> can say, my english is terrible, and there I can express me better),  
> I said thath IMHO, the best thath Squeak can do, is to go to a  
> minimal Squeak, and all the things has now, could be loaded. and I  
> think all we need to do is help to this, because this, is for all.
>
> Only can express my sadness, because I'm attending how this  
> community is destroyed. Why all don't help? Why all only want his  
> own purposses?.This is what we want to show to the newest members? a  
> selfish community? The best thing we can do, if I don't like  
> something, I will see to other side?
>
> We have a board, true? This was elected by the Squeak community, and  
> IMHO, the opinions of the board, could be voted by the community,  
> and the community, will get a Squeak for all.
>
> The example of Traits. Some wants Traits integrated on the image.  
> Other Don't want it. Ok, a poll for this, and the community may  
> respect the results.
>
> Only is an opinion, and, as the mail you received, I didn't have the  
> value courage to send it.
>
> This mail go with good intentions, but I don't know how express me  
> better, sorry.
>
>
> El 02/02/2008, a las 16:36, stephane ducasse escribió:
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>> Hi egdar
>>
>> to make sure that I understand that correctly: 3.10 harvested a  
>> couple of fixes (compared with the 685 mantis
>> items marcus closed) and you are telling that 3.11 will in addition  
>> merge everything and reconcile all the forks.
>> This sounds optimistic and not really aligned with the results of  
>> 3.10. Don't you think?
>>
>> Now a couple of weeks ago someone sent me this mail
>> "Just out of curiosity...
>> I wanted to write a mail, along the lines of...
>> I looked into the bugs fixed in 3.10... I'm a bit confused, though,  
>> because there does not seem to be much progress in 3.10 with  
>> respect to bug fixing. Is Mantis up to date? Is Mantis showing what  
>> I think it should (I used the date + status filters)?
>>
>> Below is a comparison of the number of reports for each possible  
>> state in 3.9 (March 1, 2005 - Sept 30, 2006) and 3.10 (Oct 1, 2006  
>> - today):
>> 3.9		3.10 	status
>> ----------------------------
>> 276		254		new
>> 19 		8		feedback
>> 4		1		acknowledged
>> 2		3		confirmed
>> 70		111 	assigned
>> 47 		10 		resolved
>> 685		25 		closed
>>
>> ...but I did not send it (yet)"
>>
>> And you know the saddest part is that is not that 3.10 harvested so  
>> few fixes because this can happen. The saddest part is
>> that this person did not send his email because it means that  
>> people get bored or at the end that we do not succeed to bring  
>> their enthousiasm into the community. With this kind of attitude  
>> will may lose on the long term. I like squeak because people  are  
>> sharing and are enthousiast about it.
>> Of course managing the image with MC does not really work for  
>> streaming changes. I really hope that MC2 will solve that. Colin  
>> told me that it will: MC2 will really load only the difference and  
>> will not have to rescan everything. Now MC2 is not ready and may be  
>> not ready.
>>
>> So I will do 3.9.1 because some people asked me and after I will  
>> really take the time to think about where I put
>> my energy. May do a call for building another fork of something  
>> different from Squeak as it is now or simply do not care.
>> May be other dynamic languages are more fun at the end.
>>
>> Stef
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