thanks igor, really.
but frankly I do not have the energy anymore.
Normally when I argued with people I could be mad at them but I always  
respect them.
Now I start to feel that would not control myself when arguing with  
some people and start really
bashing them for the sake of it. I'm not part of this community for  
this kind of attitude.
If people wants to follow the people that successfully did 3.10 they  
should go (you know in france we have
sarkozy so somehwere we deserve it - sadly).
If a system does not have a feedback loop this is not a viable system.  
Again I'm not saying that the process
of 3.9 was good: we asked for help and got nearly none after people  
criticized that we took decisions.
Of course we did because we were responsible of not breaking the system.
I'm not saying that we were great for 3.9:
	- the use of mc killed the cool update stream, however we tried for  
real to see
	- pushing traits in the core was certainly an error but so far I  
would like to know
	real examples where people got problems with, especially for merging  
packages of sophie, olpc and croquet
	 (the master of adrian is available and all
	the information is there. It should be one of the best documented  
part of squeak).

But again that someone remove traits. I have no problem, I did my job  
and I think that we did well.
Now if people believe that traits are the problems, they are of course.
I can tell you that I will ***never** maintain Squeak anymore and I'm  
really thinking about what I will do.
Because I think that I did a lot for smalltalk in general the last 10  
years and may be this is the time
to do something else to get a large breath of fresh air.

Stef



On Feb 3, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:

> Recently, there are voices from many sides, saying that Traits is
> show-stopper and should be retained from future squeak versions.
> I'd like to hear an arguments of both sides.
>
> Personally, what i think, Traits have good potential, but sadly there
> is lack of support of them in current dev tools, what in own turn,
> returns us to discussion about improving dev tools to meet
> requirements :)
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
>