Promoting Squeak/Smalltalk

Laurence Rozier laurence.rozier at
Wed Jan 30 05:36:14 UTC 2008

On Jan 29, 2008 6:00 PM, Matthew Fulmer <tapplek at> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 04:45:18PM -0600, David Zmick wrote:
> >    I have been wondering how to make smalltalk a more "popular"
> language,
> >    because i think it is excellent, and i think it would be good to try
> to
> >    get other people to use it, because, i don't notice to many younger
> >    programmers, like myself, using smalltalk, though, i may be wrong.
> I am 22, which is younger than everyone else I've asked here.

I was a 25 year old mechanical engineer when I saw the Aug 81 Byte magazine
cover story on Smalltalk. For far too many years I let myself be swayed by
"experts". At first it was those who said that "real" Smalltalk required
expensive workstations, then after Digitalk shattered that notion, there
were various and sundry issues raised about the need to keep Smalltalk
"pure". People like yourself and David(great ideas man!!!) can learn a lot
from this community, but don't let people discourage you from your vision. This
kind of thing<>has
been going on for a long time, sadly to our collective detriment IMO.
The good news is that Squeak's story is still unfolding and you can help
shape it according to your vision!

> >    One of
> >    the first thing i would think of to promote smalltalk would be
> writing
> >    programs in smalltalk instead of just making smalltalk better, i am
> not
> >    trying to discourage improvement on smalltalk, but if all you are
> >    developing is a language for people to continue to develop a language
> in,
> >    it seems like a waste of time.
> If it is fun, it is not a waste of time for that person. . But
> you are right; it should not be the only direction we pursue. I
> really want to push that as the vision for the next release
> team.
> >    The only program I know about, as in big,
> >    large scale programs, written in smalltalk is PetroVR, i may be wrong
> >    there to, but i see smalltalk as an excellent development environment
> and
> >    language, but, nothing big is written in it, and it will never grow
> if the
> >    community is focused entirely on making smalltalk better.
> There are lots of big seaside projects; the biggest is
> Croquet is pretty big too.
> >    I might be
> >    completely wrong, but that is what i have seen, but, i have only
> really
> >    payed attention for a couple of months, and i think it would be good
> to
> >    see some growth in smalltalk's popularity. :)
> >
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> Matthew Fulmer --
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