[squeak-dev] Squeak and the iPhone

David Zmick dz0004455 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 24 02:47:18 UTC 2008

what about android, that shouldnt be to hard, except, its all java :(

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Stephen Pair <stephen at pairhome.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM, John M McIntosh <
> johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Merik Voswinkel wrote:
>>  As you may have noticed, John McIntosh is not releasing the source code
>>> of the Cocoa iPhone VM and will only sell his future version and only if
>>> Apple agrees
>> ....
>> I think the ESUG email from Stef  (at 7:32 am PDT) has laid the above
>> comment to rest.
>> "and only if Apple agrees"
>> The confusion here is that I legally cannot offer a fully functioning
>> Squeak VM/image on the iPhone to download from the app store
>> because of Apple's contract.
>> Although people have suggest I should just ignore Apple's contract, I not
>> they would appear in a court of law in California.
>> People who know me understand I wouldn't sign, then break legal contracts
>> on purpose.
> I read the SDK agreement, and while I'm not a lawyer, I think the essential
> question is whether the source code to an application is equivalent to the
> application itself.  The agreement places various restrictions on what an
> "Application" can do and defines what an Application is, but is ambiguous in
> this matter.
> What is clear is that Apple doesn't want people writing applications
> distributed via the AppStore that enables the installation of other
> applications thereby bypassing the controls they have in place with the
> AppStore.
> I think you would be fine publishing the source code of the squeak iphone
> VM under MIT (and perhaps even compiled versions that a person in the dev
> program could use to actually install a running squeak on a real iPhone).
> It would then be a matter of anyone using that source code to build an
> application for the iPhone to make sure they were in compliance with all the
> Apple restrictions if they intended to distribute their application via the
> AppStore.
> Of course, it would be ideal to have a full, unrestricted squeak available
> on the iPhone, but that is clearly at odds with the SDK agreement.  But I
> think that's a separate point of consideration from whether you could
> distrubute the source code of an iPhone VM under MIT and outside the
> AppStore program.  I would view the distribution of iPhone VM sources as
> equivalent to a developer sharing various frameworks to aid in the
> construction of iPhone applications.  I would think Apple would encourange
> and not try and restrict that sort of thing.
> - Stephen

David Zmick
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