[squeak-dev] Fwd: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects- SoC

Gary Chambers gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com
Mon Mar 10 18:27:13 UTC 2008


If you want just a single "window" (popups/dialogs still constrained to the
"world") then have a lookat our (Pinesoft/UI Enhancements) FullscreenMorph
(and users). Handy for a near-native encapsulation.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Bill
> Schwab
> Sent: 07 March 2008 11:00 PM
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects-
> SoC
>
>
> As others stated earlier, Pinesoft is giving us some great options, at
> least within the single Squeak window.  For deployment, you might be
> better off with one layout morph in the main window, and then periodic
> modal "dialogs" (system windows with appropriately modal loop) to keep
> the user out of trouble.  Relying on SystemWindow for end users
> effectively creates an MDI interface, which is often not what one
> wants.
>
> At the risk of getting an over-use injury from beating the dead horse,
> the real problems are with feel; the look of Squeak was improving even
> before Pinesoft announced their work.  Please think about it, and I
> suspect you will agree that the reason you think users would take to a
> VW based app is not how it looks, but how it feels/works.  However
> unimaginative they might be, the conventions that exist (and have become
> hard-wired into our expectations) were derived from usability labs
> populated with "average" people.  Watch Joe Accountant try to do some
> work and see were he stumbles.  Hmmm, he expects that when he releases
> the mouse button, the item will be selected, and he wants the keyboard
> input to go there even after he pushed the mouse cursor out of the way.
> FWIW, it appears the MS did a lot of this work back in the days when
> they actually listened to customers.  I mention the drop-down selection
> mainly because MS has started screwing that up in recent years :)
>
> Look at it another way: if users cared what something looks like, why
> did XP sell so well - talk about UGLY...
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
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> "Diogenes Moreira" <diogenes.moreira at ...> diogenes.moreira at ... wrote:
>
> Yes off course, but, the people out of squeak community don't see with
> good eyes a platform whom don't have tools to make "Common
> Applications"( For me a Morphic Application is good, but the common user
> have requirements like "I wanna my name in the titlebar" )
>
> I'm fully agree with you, and don't see any reason to pay to Cincom,
> but the Facts are the Fact, and the common people yet choise VW becouse
> the application's look & feel are more "Common".
>
> Please, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with Squeak.....and I'm
> wrote this mail because I hope It be useful
> .
>
> Regards
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
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