Ken Causey wrote:
> I wonder if we aren't having a little terminology trouble here.  On the
> one hand the term 'release manager' in most communities indicates a job
> held across multiple releases, perhaps for years.  However the closest
> we have come to that in Squeak in recent years is someone who takes
> responsibility for a given release, or maybe for two in a row.

I actually do mean both. There is something very odd if (assuming that 
Edgar is the manager for the 3.10 release) he has to ask for what's 
missing. If he is responsible for the release should declare it released 
and basically demand the web site to be updated.

And if some people feel that the release isn't finished then clearly 
we're lacking understanding about what it means to finish a release and 
some continuity would be helpful.

So from either point of view the current situation isn't satisfying.

Cheers,
   - Andreas

> 
> The closest available candidates for 3.10 are Ralph Johnson and Edgar
> himself.
> 
> However perhaps Andreas was meaning to spur a discussion of having a
> more permanent release manager.  I'm going to assume that was the case
> and offer my opinion.
> 
> I'm all for someone volunteering to be a long term release manager.
> However the pool of available reasonable applicants seems rather small.
> I would like to suggest a compromise measure.  Let's continue as we have
> been with a new release team for each release (possibly built from
> previous release teams) with a release team leader specific to each
> release.
> 
> However I would like to suggest that the Board pick one of its members
> to serve in a supervisory capacity over the entire release process.  I
> don't see this as a job with much work most of the time.  It would
> largely be composed of watching the progress of current release(s),
> offering assistance where needed, and prodding the various involved
> parties when necessary.
> 
> Now the Board technically only serves for a single year at a time and so
> this 'release supervisor' could change from year to year.  But it's not
> commonly the case that the Board membership changes completely each
> year, so in practice it is possible for such a person to serve in this
> capacity for multiple years and versions.
> 
> Ken
> 
> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 13:29 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de> writes:
>> Andreas> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>> This would be my question as well.  What *is* missing?
>> Andreas> Short answer? The release manager.
>>
>> OK, but that release manager will be asking the same question
>> I'm now asking.  So how do I get the answer?
>>
>> If Edgar is complaining, there must be a specific thing he thinks is missing.
>> That's what I want to know, so I can come up to speed on the issue.
>>
>> In other words, how do we know we aren't done with 3.10 yet?
>>
>> And yes, this *is* your elected board trying to get a handle on the problem.
>>
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