On April 15, 2009, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
<<snip>>
> Maybe having a mailing list specifically for maintainers would be
> useful? 

Yes! We could suggest to Tim we create squeak-etoys-maintainers list at 
squeakland (or maybe it belongs to squeak)?, and advertise it's existence on 
the main distros. We can offer to the subscribed maintainers that:
	- it would be reasonably low volume
	- the squeak and etoys community would report distro-specific problems 
	- the squeak and etoys community would monitor it for questions and try to 
help



> But even just tracking down what packages are already out
> there, who is maintaining them etc. would be very valuable. And
> monitoring the bug trackers, participating on the distro-maintainers
> lists etc. Here is just a short list for squeak packages in various
> distros:
>
> Debian:
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=squeak-vm
> Fedora:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/squeak-vm
> Ubuntu:
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm
> OpenSuSE:
> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/smalltalk/openS
>USE_11.0/repodata/repoview/Squeak-0-3.9.8-288.1.html Gentoo:
> http://gentoo-portage.com/dev-lang/squeak
> Arch:
> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=13021
>
> The good news is that once there are "good" packages in the major
> Linux distributions, the smaller ones can follow suite much more
> easily. The big issues of e.g. what build dependencies exist are
> solved by then, and everyone can learn from each other.
>
> Squeakers have been pretty much ignorant of the larger open-source
> community in the past. But I think there is a lot to be gained by
> becoming a proper part of it. I have been working towards that goal
> for a while now, in particular as part of the OLPC / Sugar development
> efforts. Etoys is distributed as part of Sugar and depends on an up-to-
> date Squeak-VM package, so we do have allies in the Sugar maintainers.
> And everyone can help - as I wrote above, no deep VM knowledge is
> necessary to monitor bug trackers or keep contact with the maintainers.
>
> So there. Who else wants to get involved?

I use openSuSE, so I can contact the opensuse people. I was in fact thinking I 
try to build Squeak for OpenSuse (they have well published and documented 
build system), but cannot commit to that much time.

So I think we should first create the list ,come up with a standard (nothing 
too complicated) email that we send to the main distros lists. 

Cross-posting this to squeakland software list...

Milan

>
> - Bert -
>
> PS: Note that I am primarily concerned with the VM packages for now.
> Packaging images is a somewhat separate issue, simpler because no
> dependencies are involved, and at the same time harder because there
> is no established practice of where to put them in the file system
> hierarchy. There used to be the license issue with images, too, but we
> should shoot for proper packaging with the license-clean upcoming 4.0
> release. If you want to discuss this, please start a different thread.


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