José Luis Redrejo wrote:
> 
> 
> 2009/4/20 Matej Kosik <kosik at fiit.stuba.sk <mailto:kosik at fiit.stuba.sk>>
> 
>     Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>     >
>     > On 19.04.2009, at 23:57, Matej Kosik wrote:
>     >
>     >> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> On 19.04.2009, at 22:20, Matej Kosik wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Are there any versions of Squeak images that could be imported to
>     >>>> Debian
>     >>>> repositories? (some minimal images with sorted out licencing
>     issues).
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Not exactly minimal, but license-clean:
>     >>>
>     >>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/etoys/
>     >>
>     >> I have looked at it (btw. Jose already created and registered
>     >> appropriate package---cool). Is it possible to somehow open a
>     browser,
>     >> workspace and such? (in that image)?
>     >
>     > It's not really meant for Smalltalk development, but you can press
>     > alt-shift-w to get the full world menu.
> 
>     The two images:
>     - etoys
>     - etoys-dev
>     would fit to the Lex's scheme
>     http://ftp.squeak.org/debian/squeak-on-debian.pdf
>     I think, that whatever Jose wanted to achieve with his separate
>     squeak-vm package can be achieved also with our squeak-vm package (now
>     they are different).
> 
>     What would be the advantage?
>     - We could keep our rich repository:
>      http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3616
>      That contains also "licence unclean" packages.
>     - Some of those packages could be posted to Debian
>      - etoys
>      - etoys-dev
>      Really, people could then:
> 
>            apt-get install etoys
> 
>      and run it as:
> 
>            etoys
> 
>     - We would not have to maintain two (three, four, ...)
>      separate squeak-vm package versions.
> 
>     How does this sound to Lex and especially to Jose?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.

Having two separate squeak-vm packages (yours and ours) is, by default,
a nonsense. Unless there is a reason for it. Is there a reason?

Cannot we create a single squeak-vm package that would work both, for
you (etoys) and for us (packages published on Squeak wiki)?

Are our goals (concerning what squeak-vm package should provide)
mutually exclusive?

Squeak-vm package must be maintained by someone, who actually also
understands the source code and can solve possible minor problems. I am
not such a person.

I could ask in another way: cannot your goals be achieved by taking our
squeak-vm package and updating it? If not, why?

> Today, if you have the
> non-free section in your sources.list, you can do
> apt-get install etoys, and it will install the etoys image + squeak-vm
> package with the vm.
> 
> I'm just waiting to see if there's a way to bootstrap a squeak image
> from sources to move the etoys package from non-free to main.
> 
> Regards.
> José L.
> 
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