[squeak-dev] Re: Ubuntu package maintainers help
Matej Kosik
kosik at fiit.stuba.sk
Mon Apr 20 09:41:45 UTC 2009
José Luis Redrejo wrote:
>
>
> 2009/4/20 Matej Kosik <kosik at fiit.stuba.sk <mailto:kosik at fiit.stuba.sk>>
>
> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> >
> > On 19.04.2009, at 23:57, Matej Kosik wrote:
> >
> >> Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 19.04.2009, at 22:20, Matej Kosik wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any versions of Squeak images that could be imported to
> >>>> Debian
> >>>> repositories? (some minimal images with sorted out licencing
> issues).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not exactly minimal, but license-clean:
> >>>
> >>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/etoys/
> >>
> >> I have looked at it (btw. Jose already created and registered
> >> appropriate package---cool). Is it possible to somehow open a
> browser,
> >> workspace and such? (in that image)?
> >
> > It's not really meant for Smalltalk development, but you can press
> > alt-shift-w to get the full world menu.
>
> The two images:
> - etoys
> - etoys-dev
> would fit to the Lex's scheme
> http://ftp.squeak.org/debian/squeak-on-debian.pdf
> I think, that whatever Jose wanted to achieve with his separate
> squeak-vm package can be achieved also with our squeak-vm package (now
> they are different).
>
> What would be the advantage?
> - We could keep our rich repository:
> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3616
> That contains also "licence unclean" packages.
> - Some of those packages could be posted to Debian
> - etoys
> - etoys-dev
> Really, people could then:
>
> apt-get install etoys
>
> and run it as:
>
> etoys
>
> - We would not have to maintain two (three, four, ...)
> separate squeak-vm package versions.
>
> How does this sound to Lex and especially to Jose?
>
>
>
> I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.
Having two separate squeak-vm packages (yours and ours) is, by default,
a nonsense. Unless there is a reason for it. Is there a reason?
Cannot we create a single squeak-vm package that would work both, for
you (etoys) and for us (packages published on Squeak wiki)?
Are our goals (concerning what squeak-vm package should provide)
mutually exclusive?
Squeak-vm package must be maintained by someone, who actually also
understands the source code and can solve possible minor problems. I am
not such a person.
I could ask in another way: cannot your goals be achieved by taking our
squeak-vm package and updating it? If not, why?
> Today, if you have the
> non-free section in your sources.list, you can do
> apt-get install etoys, and it will install the etoys image + squeak-vm
> package with the vm.
>
> I'm just waiting to see if there's a way to bootstrap a squeak image
> from sources to move the etoys package from non-free to main.
>
> Regards.
> José L.
>
>
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