Hi Andreas,

what an interesting turn.

Over the past few weeks, I've been wondering what actually was the
problem, and why (and how) things could possibly have gotten so heated
(the usual OSS community factors aside). My suspicion was that there
must have been some gross misunderstanding, coupled with a lack of
proper communication due to hurt feelings and refusal to respond to
rather personal attacks. I'm sorry to see I seem to have at least
gotten the misunderstanding thing right.

I don't want to start new trouble, but I have an urgent question now.
The decision that has, in part, caused the turmoil was a board
decision, if I recall that correctly. If so, how could the board as a
whole have misinterpreted the 3.11 efforts - was there not enough
discussion?

The past aside, although it is not really up to me to make peace, what
about the news ...

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Andreas Raab<andreas.raab at gmx.de> wrote:
> In order to get out of our current impasse, I first and foremost need people
> to understand this: The trunk is not about tools or infrastructure and the
> 3.11 proposal is not about content.

Regarding the trunk, I have had the impression that the entire work
was indeed *just* about software. I may have missed some things, but I
had not quite understood what would eventually constitute release
3.11. That said, I'm a newbie in the development crowd, and this can
well be blamed on my lack of experience.

Having learned about the Installer (and related tools), I was
nevertheless wondering how - in spite of their undoubtable merits -
such tools could possibly have been excluded from usage in ongoing
development. Tools like these are clearly missing.

> And perhaps that is also showing the way out. What if we left the tools work
> to the tools and the development work to the developers? What I mean is that
> we can use the tools that have been developed in the 3.11 process, for
> example, to do continuous integration from Mantis. All the bits are there
> (well, were there, now that Bob got pulled, so perhaps this won't work) but
> the tools infrastructure can certainly be used to take part in the content
> development which happens in the trunk.

I, for one, like this idea. The tools are useful for more than just
3.11, right? But still, "getting there" would, I imagine, be easier
*with* them, rather than without.

Is there any chance of getting the entire set back? Or is there too much grudge?

Come on, this is about Squeak, whose progress most of us should be
interested in. ;-)

Best,

Michael