The main reason, which prevents squeak to use as embedded solution is
a structure of VM.
- there are many points when it assuming that it runs standalone
- the main interpret() function is an endless loop and not reentrant,
which makes it hard to interoperate with host process , like Lua does.
recent updates added a callbacks, so they can be used as a kind of
workaround to solve that issue.

2009/2/6 Steve Wart <steve.wart at gmail.com>:
> That's an interesting idea. Quite a lot of the momentum in Python, Lua,
> ECMAScript, etc. come from their embedded-ness.
>
> Smalltalk was built embedded in an OS that it was never entirely comfortable
> with, although there have been many attempts at scripting Smalltalk from
> other programs, Seaside being the most notable success.
>
> I suggest that this ideal already exists. The benefits come from specific
> implementations.
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> It would be interesting to see a Croquet variant with a modern game engine.
> Smalltalk and C++ should be able to play well together.
>
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM, askoh <askoh at askoh.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think it is good you dare to speak your mind. I also think that the
>> Squeak
>> community can take that. Keep your ideas coming.
>>
>> I would like Squeak to be callable from other programs so that it can be
>> used as plugins.
>>
>> Aik-Siong Koh
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>> Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz wrote:
>> >
>> > We have elections soon.
>> >
>> > I'ts time to think about the project. What we search? What new
>> > developers search?
>> >
>> > I think, probably, Squeak, needs a refactoring on the ideas behind. The
>> > people thath wants etoys, use etoys image. Croquet uses his own image.
>> > Now, at the moment (2009), I'm 90% sure, the people thath go to
>> > squeak.org, and get the latest Squeak, now, are developers searching a
>> > good smalltalk (something similar to VW but opensource I means) to use
>> > in their projects, not the use of Squeak as multimedia, or something
>> > similar. I know this for all spanish people ask me about Squeak, or
>> > developers "going out the list" searching Pharo, an approach to the
>> > things I say.
>> >
>> > I like the idea about a console squeak (like GST) with the objects
>> > living in memory, but not dependent of the "World", launching the actual
>> > Squeak World as an object (I don't know if is the actual behaviour, I
>> > only dream) if you want, or launching something like VW (or Dolphin)
>> > working over TK or GTK or WxWidgets or technologys like XUL
>> > instead.....I like the idea of an UI Painter....I like the idea of all
>> > Squeak tools running over web too..well, this idea don't like it very
>> > much :)..but I don't have the skills for all of this, for this I offer
>> > the ideas. But most important, is the community has vote for this
>> > things. The community needs to stay informed about the movements. I
>> > think, this, is the right direction.
>> >
>> > I don't know what you all think, but IMHO, it's the moment to get a new
>> > Squeak 4 from zero, trying to preserve the core classes, with new ideas
>> > and ambitions.
>> >
>> > I don't like very much the idea about all list hating me, but, after
>> > this mail, I know you hate me :P
>> >
>> > P.D.: Yes, probably, I'm crazy too.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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