Hi,

Bravo Benoit!

I concur.

Every Smalltalk or Smalltalk variant is Smalltalk! Let's make them all 
the best they can be.

I currently use: Susie Smalltalk, Smalltalk MT,  Dolphin, Squeak, Pharo, 
VisualWorks, VisualAge, Gemstone, GNU Smalltalk, Smalltalk/X.  I have 
products in Digitalk V286 for PC and Mac, VisualSmalltalk Enterprise. 
I'm working on my own variant of Smalltalk, ZokuTalk. I like other 
smaltalk's too, heck, there is a list here: 
http://www.Smalltalk.org/versions that's almost complete (new 
smalltalk's keep appearing).

Unlike Java or the Microsoft communities, Smalltalk is very much like 
the Unix, Linux, *BSD communities, it's diverse.

If you can't get along with others fine, no one will force you... but 
please let those of us who can get along with each other regardless of 
which Smalltalk we use get on with making them better. Thanks.

One aspect of human nature is to form groups with "rules" about who is 
in the group and who isn't. Benoit is right that we are all using 
Smalltalk and that is the larger context, the larger group to keep in 
mind even if you only use one Smalltalk.

You can also think of it another way, the larger group may be able to 
bring more resources to bear on problems to solve them quicker. Much 
like farming communities that assist each other to build barns. This 
year Billy Bob needs a new barn. Next year it's Mary Sue.

"Three helping one another will do as much as six working singly." - 
Spanish proverb. By extension, all Smalltalkers working to improve 
Smalltalk will accomplish more than any of us can in fragmented groups.

All the best,

Peter William Lount
Editor Smalltalk.org



Benoit St-Jean wrote:
> Chers amis, désolé pour l'anglais mais comme je voulais que tous les 
> principaux intéressés comprennent mon point de vue, j'ai choisi l'anglais!
>
> Okay guys, let's put things in perspective here...
>
> Pharo isn't at war with Squeak and vice-versa...  Just like any kid, 
> it just wants to "live it's own life" and somehow, somewhat, slowly 
> progress and become a little bit different from its parents, here 
> namely Squeak.
>
> If find it weird that 2 Smalltalk implementations/communities, so 
> close to each other like Squeak and Pharo, go to great lengths at 
> flaming each other...  Don't you find it weird that such discussions 
> don't happen between VisualWorks and Dolphin, between VisualAge and 
> GNU Smalltalk, etc ?
>
> We're from the same family.  Okay, we're all a bit different different 
> but, deep inside, we're so the same.
>
> I'm a happy Smalltalker who's daily job involves VisualWorks, Dolphin 
> and VisualAge.  In my spare time, I'm happy "squeaking" and 
> "pharoing".  Can't we just respect each other's goals/ambitions/dreams 
> and try to find some communality and try to stay "not too far from 
> each other and benefit from each other" instead of starting a "cold 
> war" that will only leave us isolated, both in our own camps ?  I'm 
> puzzled!  What do I do if I like both?  Choose my camp or abandon them 
> both ?
>  
> -----------------
> Benoit St-Jean
> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean
> Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com
> A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero.
> (Albert Einstein)

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