[squeak-dev] keeping arrow for assignment operator

Edgar J. De Cleene edgardec2001 at yahoo.com.ar
Fri Mar 13 07:59:51 UTC 2009




On 3/12/09 3:33 PM, "Juan Vuletich" <juan at jvuletich.org> wrote:

> Joshua Gargus wrote:
>> Juan Vuletich wrote:
>>   
>>> There's not a real consensus in this area. Many people (me included)
>>> really prefer the left arrow for assignment and will not accept others
>>> to prevent us from doing so. Please don't promise that. Switch to :=
>>> only if you want.
>>>     
>> 
>> I usually agree with what you write, but this is simply wrong.  There is
>> not *unanimous* consensus that left-arrow should be deprecated, but when
>> has there ever been, in the Squeak community?  However, there is
>> certainly a consensus.  You're free to use an old/modified Squeak that
>> support underscore-assignment-rendered-as-an-arrow, but the community
>> has clearly decided otherwise (please don't make me dig for references,
>> but I will if I have to).
>> 
>>   
> This community doesn't even have a consensus on the way to make
> decisions. These are not my words, but they say what I think:
> "Historically, decisions have been made by the people screaming the
> loudest or the longest. We need to work out a way to fix this and to
> come to a process by which we can make decisions that are acceptable to
> the community at large." Only when there is a process set up to make
> decisions, and it is applied to issues like this, you can say there is
> consensus. This has not happened yet. And I do really hope it will
> happen this year.
> 
>> You shouldn't muddy the waters for Squeak newcomers who haven't
>> experienced the history first-hand.  Underscore assignment is on the way
>> out.  Period.
>>   
> 
> No it is not. You have no authority to say so. Perhaps the board has it.
> But not you. I'm sorry.
> 
>> I like the look of the left-arrow myself, but there's no reason that a
>> pretty-printer can't render it that way; unfortunately nobody has
>> stepped up to make that a reality.  On the other hand, I look forward to
>> when underscore-assignment is not only deprecated, but completely
>> disallowed, so that I can, for example, program OpenGL in Squeak using
>> identical constant names (eg: GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT instead of
>> GLColorBufferBit).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Josh
>> 
>>   
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
> 

Para nque te calentas Juan ?
No vale la pena gritar cuando nadie escucha...

Edgar

P.S. Si tuviera tiempo que no tengo, me dedicaria mas a Morphic 3.0






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