Squeak direction: Was: Re: [squeak-dev] Terms of Reference: discussion is open

Igor Stasenko siguctua at gmail.com
Fri Nov 6 17:53:48 UTC 2009


2009/11/6 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez <miguel.coba at gmail.com>:
> El vie, 06-11-2009 a las 07:22 -0300, Juan Vuletich escribió:
>
>> Hey, nice talk. Now, what are your own great dreams with Squeak? What
>> are you doing to pursue them?
>
> I must say that I am not as great programmer as Andreas or Yoshiki or
> any other you list. But that is not the point. The 90% of the squeak
> subscribers aren't and that is not to be ashamed. So I'm not.
> If we can't write a new Morphic or a Ballon 3d or whatever that doesn't
> mean that we don't want or could contribute to squeak.
>
> Besides, Tweak, Etoys, UGP aren't the squeak future or goals, but
> projects built on top of Squeak.
>
> My question, in simple terms is, what are the goals of Squeak. Something
> like, for example:
>
> - minimal under 10 MB core image.
> - Etoys removal
> - All packages removed from image and easily loaded from squeak source
> - In core only collections, compiler, kernel and I/O.
> - Purge of squeaksource or new squeak source with maintained packages
> - fix of squeakmap mess
> - new framework for managing packages/dependencies/configuration
> (sake/packages, metacello, other) in next minimal squeak core
>
> Things like that.
> They are only examples. But show to those that want to contribute what
> points are the most important to aim for the next Squeak version.
>
> It has been said many times that 3.11 is all about tool but, for the
> common, unsavy squeak list subscriber, what are the tools, what can be
> help, maybe not code but documentation, blog posts, publicity,
> announcing.
>
> I could never make my own Squeak version like you, but that doesn't
> means that I couldn't help by promoting squeak and making tutorials and
> in general making the world aware of this little thing called Squeak
> that I think that is marvelous but I can also note that _nobody_ knows
> and use. I would like to help fix that but that attitude of *we are
> doing good and we don't need that a newbie that hasn't contributed
> anything the size of Cuis, Etoys, Croquet ask anything about the squeak
> future* doesn't help and only push the people to other forks with more
> *visible* future stablished.
>
>>
>> I can tell you about mine. Or you can read in this list and my web page
>> about Cuis and Morphic 3. I can tell about Bert, Yoshiki and VPRI
>> (Etoys, OLPC, FONC). I can tell about Andreas (Balloon 3D, Tweak,
>> Croquet, Teleplace). I can tell about Gulik (the Unnamed Grand Project).
>> Same for many others here. What about you?
>>
>> This community can only achieve what its members actually do. For
>> instance, the last 2 years I gave up about 1/3 of the money I was making
>> just to have time to work on Cuis, Morphic 3 and to contribute to
>> Squeak. You can see some of the results of that in the trunk. What about
>> you?
>>
>> And no, thanks. We don't need yet another non-contributing visionary.
>>
>
> Pity for the 90% of squeak list subscribers. We are not as smart to
> pertain to this community
>

you are smart enough to see the Squeak's shortest reachable goals
(listed above) in same way as i do.
Manifest the plan and milestones , and i (and i hope many others) will
support you.

> Thanks for your time.
>
>
>
>> Cheers,
>> Juan Vuletich
>>
> --
> Miguel Cobá
> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
>
>
>



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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.



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