[squeak-dev] Terms of Reference: discussion is open

Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda at gmail.com
Fri Nov 6 20:00:37 UTC 2009


On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Ken G. Brown <kbrown at mac.com> wrote:

> At 7:15 PM +0100 11/6/09, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
> >On 06.11.2009, at 18:46, Ken G. Brown wrote:
> >
> >>IMHO, such smart guys that are doing the majority of contributions to
> trunk could have figured out the way forward with Keith's established future
> methodology using Installer, Sake/Packages, Bob the Builder, MC 1.5/1.6 in
> about ten minutes.  Some were already up to speed on the way forward. They
> could then have contributed fixes to the tools for that methodology where
> required and we would be now in the future instead of stuck in the past,
> forked yet again with the old trunk methodology (it's not a 'new'
> development model) that got us into the difficulties in the first place.
> >>
> >>Ken G. Brown
> >
> >If it all sounds so easy (which in fact it wasn't, neither for the board
> members nor the community at large half a year ago) then why don't you
> contribute a tool everybody can use to easily harvest Mantis fixes into
> Trunk? Or add Installer support for trunk development? Or set up a Bob
> server to churn out ready-built trunk images and test results? Or make a
> trunk image with MC 1.5/1.6?
>
> I believe you are looking at this the wrong way around. The trunk started
> at an old position.
> As you surely know, latest Installer, lpf and Sake/packages are already in
> the latest ftp.squeak.org/3.11/Squeak3.10.2-lpf or
> ftp.squeak.org/3.11/Squeak3.10.2-lpf-atomic/, ready to go for Bob the
> Builder. If the trunk additions were added to the latest, using
> Sake/Packages I believe we would have something. Andreas and I showed that
> the trunk repository gets quite far along loading into Keith's latest but
> with hacks required to overcome the divergence that trunk has taken. Someone
> with the intimate knowledge of what is going wrong could most likely fix the
> remaining issue/issues easily.  Adding lpf, MC 1.5/1.6 etc. to trunk, just
> continues the divergence.
>
> >It may take you more then 10 minutes but *that* might get us moved forward
> even faster. Trunk development does progress fine, but we're all for
> improved tools and processes, so let's see them.
>
> You only need to look at Keith's documentation, videos, and emails to see
> where it is all at. He has explained this all in my opinion in enough detail
> over and over again.
>

We've already been over this.  A disparate set of communications is
inadequate.  It is too onerous to try and understand the system from a long
and multi-media thread.  This needs to be committed to some web pages, e.g.
a wiki.


>
> Ken G. Brown
>
> >And now back to the discussion at hand, shall we? Otherwise please change
> the subject.
> >
> >- Bert -
>
>
>
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