2009/9/2 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez <miguel.coba at gmail.com>:
> El mié, 02-09-2009 a las 16:50 -0700, Igor Stasenko escribió:
>> 2009/9/2 Germán Arduino <garduino at gmail.com>:
>> > 2009/9/2 Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> No amount of effort announcing, documenting, and promoting makes any
>> >>> difference. I have made considerable efforts on all three over the past
>> >>> 3 years whereas in contrast Lukas does no announcing, documenting or
>> >>> promoting, yet people use his stuff without a second thought.
>> >>
>> >> Simply not true.  Google Lukas Renggli and you get
>> >>    http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/
>> >>
>> >> Click on the Magritte link and you get overview, installation instructions,
>> >> links to mailing lists, code repositories, instructions on how to report
>> >> errors, a list of publications and a tutorial.
>> >> Google Keith Hodges and Bob the Builder and you get
>> >>
>> >>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/release/2008-October/000036.html
>> >> which, when I read it, presumes I know an awful lot of context I have no
>> >> clue how to create.  There's no overview, there's no pointer to code,
>> >> there's no tutorial, no hand-hlding, juts a description of how you go about
>> >> things once you understand how the whole thing works.  i.e. far too
>> >> demanding for a noob like myself.  I'm simply not smart enough to figure out
>> >> how to use your system form that description.
>> >> Magritte on the other hand looks like it could be worth some of my ever
>> >> shorter in supply time to explore. (As does Pier, Scriptaculous and the rest
>> >> of Lucas's thoughtfully presented projects).
>> >>
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > Sorry Keith, I respect your work and the time you invested as the time
>> > and work of any person contributing
>> > with Squeak, but I'm in a similar situation of Eliot, never understood
>> > the whole context of all your tools with
>> > exception of Installer.
>> >
>> > As all of us, my free time is very limited, but I try to be acquainted
>> > of all the Squeak news, mainly the tools and
>> > process to build "our" Squeak and think that we need a consensus prior
>> > to adoption of tools and, afaik, I think that
>> > such consensus don't exist yet.
>> >
>>
>> (wearing my Board member hat)
>> so, any volunteers to help Keith to document & publicize the essence
>> from his tools?
>> (wearing off the hat)
>>
>
> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-August/012118.html
>
> He doesn't want help.
>

i think its not a wise to put own words in someone's mouth :)

>> :)
>>
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> Miguel Cobá
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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.