Ian Trudel wrote:
> 2009/9/17 Andreas Raab <andreas.raab at gmx.de>:
> 
>> Indeed. What do people think about this little knock-off?
> 
> Well, it seems to me that it goes toward the direction taken by Pharo
> as far as look-and-feel is concerned. I'm not feeling it. The reason
> is that Squeak should have its own visual identity, in my opinion.

That's why I like the Newspeak look. (it's got nothing to do with the 
Pharo Look which was a plain Mac clone last time I checked). The 
Newspeak look is quite individual and consistent in its appearance 
without looking silly or unprofessional.

> Without mentioning that the look is favouring one or another OS,
> without being native, and not any better...

One of the things to be careful about here is not to make the better the 
enemy of the good. Changes in UI are a sign of life and I think we need 
one. It had been on my list ever since I came back into Squeak. We got 
nicer fonts, now it's time to change the default look enough for people 
to recognize that things are improving.

So *unless* you find a particular look so completely unbearable that you 
couldn't possibly imagine to launch an image that looks that way I'd 
like to ask for a bit of lenience. Simply agree that unless you do your 
own, there is no way we can all agree on the "best" look. But that 
doesn't have to prevent us from choosing an "acceptable" look. The work 
done in Newspeak is nice, consistent, unassuming and done by someone who 
actually knew what he was doing.

Cheers,
   - Andreas