+1 and +1

Keep the release artifact like trunk. Edgar! You should totally do this! The
fun squeak images are the best showcases we have around. Something like that
would be a really great compliment to a trunk release.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:36 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 06:14:52PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
> > One of the discussions about the upcoming 4.2 release in this week's
> > Board meeting was about what to include in the official image. There is
> > a tension between too bare of an initial impression and loading stuff
> > that is not universally needed. One obvious solution is to have multiple
> > official images (kernel, plain trunk, funSqueak, web development and so
> > on) and this may be adopted in the future, but it was decided that it
> > would be more practical to release a single image for 4.2 which should
> > be as close as possible to "plain trunk".
>
> Yes I think this is the right thing to do. Having multiple versions
> of the image is confusing (and also a lot of work to support). Many
> people who download the "official" image will also be interested in
> keeping up with the trunk, so making these as similar as possible is
> a good thing.
>
>
> > Official images are not just code, however, but have included text
> > windows with helpful information and even whole projects with neat
> > demos. The approach of using demo projects to showcase the system's
> > possibilities to new users can be seen in recent Etoys distributions,
> > though in that case the projects are not actually in the image (which is
> > read-only) but exist as separate files on disk and are loaded as needed.
> > In the older Squeaks the projects were part of the image, but were
> > trivial to delete cleaning up the user interface and releasing the
> > little extra memory they were using.
> >
> > One alternative would be to include projects in the plain trunk image to
> > show off advanced features not loaded into the image. The project could
> > include a little button in the background attached to a script to load
> > all the extra code needed to do what it is explaining. The user would
> > have to choice to quit without saving if the feature turned out not to
> > be interesting or to save the image and keep that code even if the demo
> > project is itself deleted.
> >
> > If the community finds this an interesting option, then people would
> > have to volunteer to build these projects. I am supposing this will be
> > an artistic effort rather than a programming one writing the script to
> > load the code is simple enough.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> I think this is a good thing to do. Edgar's FunSqueak is a great
> illustration of this approach in practice. It provides a way to easily
> explore some of the extended possibilities of Squeak. Indeed, some
> of Edgar's work might be exactly what we need here :)
>
> I cannot personally make much of a contribution to this, but I hope
> that some of the folks with an artistic bent will take an interest.
> Also, if any of the FunSqueak content could be included, that might
> be a good first step.
>
> Dave
>
> >
> > -- Jecel
> >
> > P.S.: here is a quick review of non code material in previous official
> > Squeak images -
> >
> > 1.16:
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     window "The Squeak User Interface"
> >     window "Managing and Saving Changes"
> >
> > 1.2:
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     window "The Squeak User Interface"
> >     collapsed window "Managing and Saving Changes"
> >     collapsed window "How Squeak Finds Source Code"
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
> > panes
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
> >
> > 1.3:
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     collapsed window "What's New in Version 1.3"
> >     collapsed window "The Squeak User Interface"
> >     collapsed window "Managing and Saving Changes"
> >     collapsed window "How Squeak Finds Source Code"
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
> > panes
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
> >
> > 2.0:
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     window "The Squeak User Interface"
> >     collapsed window "Managing and Saving Changes"
> >     collapsed window "How Squeak Finds Source Code"
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
> > panes
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 6" - Fabrik demo
> >     collapsed window "About Squeak 2.0"
> >     collapsed window "Pluggable Views"
> >     collapsed window "Two Virtual Machines"
> >     collapsed window "Image Size"
> >     collapsed window "Source Code Updates"
> >     collapsed window "The Wiki Wiki Server"
> >     collapsed window "Stylized Text and Links in Source Code"
> >
> > 2.3
> >     window "Welcome to ...."
> >     window "Getting Started"
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
> > panes
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 6" - Fabrik demo
> >
> > 2.5
> >     window "Welcome to ...."
> >     window "Getting Started"
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
> > panes
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
> >     collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 6" - Fabrik demo
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 7" - Alice demo
> >     collapsed project "Play With Me - 8" - Fun WIth Music
> >
> > 3.0
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     collapsed window "Getting Started..."
> >     flash animated Squeak logo
> >     project "The Worlds of Squeak"
> >         subproject "Games"
> >         subproject "Graphics"
> >         subproject "3D"
> >         subproject "The Net"
> >         subproject "Scripts"
> >         subproject "Music"
> >     flap "Squeak"
> >     flap "Supplies"
> >     flap "Tools"
> >     Navigation Bar
> >
> > 3.2
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     collapsed window "A Word of Caution"
> >     collapsed window "ReadMe.txt"
> >     flash animated Squeak logo
> >     project "The Worlds of Squeak"
> >         subproject "Games"
> >         subproject "Graphics"
> >         subproject "3D"
> >         subproject "The Net"
> >         subproject "Scripts"
> >         subproject "Music"
> >     flap "Squeak"
> >     flap "Widgets"
> >     flap "Supplies"
> >     flap "Tools"
> >     flap "Navigator"
> >
> > 3.8
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     collapsed window "A note to students, parents and teachers"
> >     collapsed window "ReadMe.txt"
> >     flash animated Squeak logo
> >     project "SmalltalkIntroduction"
> >     flap "Squeak"
> >     flap "Widgets"
> >     flap "Supplies"
> >     flap "Tools"
> >     flap "Navigator"
> >
> > 3.10.2
> >     window "Welcome to ..."
> >     collapsed window "History of 3.10.2"
> >     collapsed application "Package Universe Browser"
> >     flash animated Squeak logo
> >     flap "Squeak"
> >     flap "Widgets"
> >     flap "Supplies"
> >     flap "Tools"
> >     flap "Navigator"
> >
> > 4.1
> >     menu bar
> >     window "Welcome to Squeak 4.1"
> >     collapsed window "The Squeak User Interface"
> >     collapsed window "Working With Squeak"
> >     collapsed window "License Information"
> >
>
>


-- 
Casey Ransberger
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