I too always liked seeing the interesting projects demoing Squeak's capabilities. I'm thinking that everything would not need to be preloaded except for a short abstract of what each project is all about along with load and unload scripts.

In the latest trunk, I'm liking the 'Extending the System' Workspace with the various scripts for loading additional capabilities.

I would like to see an easy way of unloading the stuff I have temporarily loaded to take a look at. I would NOT like to have loaded a project, then deleted it only to find out that all the code that was necessary for the project, was still hanging around. I do not like having to rely on closing the image without saving to revert back to the previous state. I often find I do some messing around in a Workspace that I probably want to keep, but that gets blown away too when quitting without saving the image.

eg. if I load Seaside and Pier and play around with them for a few days in my image, saving at various points so I don't chance to lose my work, then decide I have no more use for them, I would like to do an unload/uninstall similarly to how I loaded them from the 'Extending the System' Workspace, and be assured that the image is back to the state I had before I loaded them in the first place except for what I've done outside of that which I want to keep.

And yes, Edgar's work to keep the old interesting and fun stuff alive is really appreciated. Thx!

Ken G. Brown

At 12:16 PM -0800 12/11/10, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. apparently wrote:
>One of the discussions about the upcoming 4.2 release in this week's
>Board meeting was about what to include in the official image. There is
>a tension between too bare of an initial impression and loading stuff
>that is not universally needed. One obvious solution is to have multiple
>official images (kernel, plain trunk, funSqueak, web development and so
>on) and this may be adopted in the future, but it was decided that it
>would be more practical to release a single image for 4.2 which should
>be as close as possible to "plain trunk".
>
>Official images are not just code, however, but have included text
>windows with helpful information and even whole projects with neat
>demos. The approach of using demo projects to showcase the system's
>possibilities to new users can be seen in recent Etoys distributions,
>though in that case the projects are not actually in the image (which is
>read-only) but exist as separate files on disk and are loaded as needed.
>In the older Squeaks the projects were part of the image, but were
>trivial to delete cleaning up the user interface and releasing the
>little extra memory they were using.
>
>One alternative would be to include projects in the plain trunk image to
>show off advanced features not loaded into the image. The project could
>include a little button in the background attached to a script to load
>all the extra code needed to do what it is explaining. The user would
>have to choice to quit without saving if the feature turned out not to
>be interesting or to save the image and keep that code even if the demo
>project is itself deleted.
>
>If the community finds this an interesting option, then people would
>have to volunteer to build these projects. I am supposing this will be
>an artistic effort rather than a programming one writing the script to
>load the code is simple enough.
>
>What do you think?
>
>-- Jecel
>
>P.S.: here is a quick review of non code material in previous official
>Squeak images -
>
>1.16:
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    window "The Squeak User Interface"
>    window "Managing and Saving Changes"
>
>1.2:
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    window "The Squeak User Interface"
>    collapsed window "Managing and Saving Changes"
>    collapsed window "How Squeak Finds Source Code"
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
>panes
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
>
>1.3:
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    collapsed window "What's New in Version 1.3"
>    collapsed window "The Squeak User Interface"
>    collapsed window "Managing and Saving Changes"
>    collapsed window "How Squeak Finds Source Code"
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
>panes
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
>
>2.0:
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    window "The Squeak User Interface"
>    collapsed window "Managing and Saving Changes"
>    collapsed window "How Squeak Finds Source Code"
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
>panes
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 6" - Fabrik demo
>    collapsed window "About Squeak 2.0"
>    collapsed window "Pluggable Views"
>    collapsed window "Two Virtual Machines"
>    collapsed window "Image Size"
>    collapsed window "Source Code Updates"
>    collapsed window "The Wiki Wiki Server"
>    collapsed window "Stylized Text and Links in Source Code"
>
>2.3
>    window "Welcome to ...."
>    window "Getting Started"
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
>panes
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 6" - Fabrik demo
>
>2.5
>    window "Welcome to ...."
>    window "Getting Started"
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 1" - sliders, scrollbard and list
>panes
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 2" - polygons and arrows
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 3" - Live In Morphic
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 4" - "Back To The Future" paper
>    collapsed window "Play With Me - 5" - advanced text flow
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 6" - Fabrik demo
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 7" - Alice demo
>    collapsed project "Play With Me - 8" - Fun WIth Music
>
>3.0
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    collapsed window "Getting Started..."
>    flash animated Squeak logo
>    project "The Worlds of Squeak"
>        subproject "Games"
>        subproject "Graphics"
>        subproject "3D"
>        subproject "The Net"
>        subproject "Scripts"
>        subproject "Music"
>    flap "Squeak"
>    flap "Supplies"
>    flap "Tools"
>    Navigation Bar
>
>3.2
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    collapsed window "A Word of Caution"
>    collapsed window "ReadMe.txt"
>    flash animated Squeak logo
>    project "The Worlds of Squeak"
>        subproject "Games"
>        subproject "Graphics"
>        subproject "3D"
>        subproject "The Net"
>        subproject "Scripts"
>        subproject "Music"
>    flap "Squeak"
>    flap "Widgets"
>    flap "Supplies"
>    flap "Tools"
>    flap "Navigator"
>
>3.8
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    collapsed window "A note to students, parents and teachers"
>    collapsed window "ReadMe.txt"
>    flash animated Squeak logo
>    project "SmalltalkIntroduction"
>    flap "Squeak"
>    flap "Widgets"
>    flap "Supplies"
>    flap "Tools"
>    flap "Navigator"
>
>3.10.2
>    window "Welcome to ..."
>    collapsed window "History of 3.10.2"
>    collapsed application "Package Universe Browser"
>    flash animated Squeak logo
>    flap "Squeak"
>    flap "Widgets"
>    flap "Supplies"
>    flap "Tools"
>    flap "Navigator"
>
>4.1
>    menu bar
>    window "Welcome to Squeak 4.1"
>    collapsed window "The Squeak User Interface"
>    collapsed window "Working With Squeak"
>    collapsed window "License Information"