> This is akin to the whole blue, yellow, other color click. The fact that
> someday the way to use Squeak and smalltalk was with a 3-colors mouse
> that doesn't validate the 2010 persistence of those terms to instruct
> users to do something.

Miguel, for a better understanding about this, see:

    http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897

The purpose for continuing to refer to colors is for the added level
of indirection required by Squeak's platform-independence...   So we
don't have to say, in all dcoumentation:  "If you're running on
Windows, press the right button, if a Mac the Command-click, etc."

 - Chris



On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Miguel Cobá <miguel.coba at gmail.com> wrote:
> El mar, 14-12-2010 a las 15:43 -0500, Chris Cunnington escribió:
>> "Lets accept it. For good or bad, monticello packages are the way to
>> go,
>>
>> and gofer desing is around this observation."
>>
>> Your position is too extreme. I argued against SqueakMap about as hard
>> as anybody can six, seven months ago.
>> I got serious push back. Gofer is great and there are lots of reasons
>> to use it. But I don't see any reason to
>> break things, or decide for people who want to do things in an older
>> mode.
>
> Why extreme? Gofer made a decision to focus on Monticello because that
> is the current de facto format widely in use. I didn't say, kill
> SqueakMap or kill universes, I only said that almost nobody uses because
> great majority uses squeaksource and monticello to publish new packages
> and releases. Even if 10 or 50 people can raise the hand and say that
> they use changesets or publish in squeakmap, that, based on observations
> on the the squeak trunk, the squeaksouce.com latest activity landing
> page and the mailing lists from pharo and squeak, this is a hard fact.
> This is akin to the whole blue, yellow, other color click. The fact that
> someday the way to use Squeak and smalltalk was with a 3-colors mouse
> that doesn't validate the 2010 persistence of those terms to instruct
> users to do something. This is plain blindness to the fact that today,
> the mice sold and used in windows and linux have only 2 and with luck, 3
> button, that in laptops is hard to do a 'middle-click' and the most
> evident one that macs have only one button.
> Legacy (code|platforms|customs) must be left behind and sometimes even
> killed for our own good. :)  (that is indeed extreme, but I believe
> it ;)
>
>
>>
>> "Better, add to Installer that which Gofer does that Installer
>> doesn't."
>>
>> This doesn't seem like a great idea. As somebody pointed out, it has
>> no active maintainer. Lukas maintains Gofer
>> and there are reasons to use it: closer relationship with Pharo,
>> contemporary MC integration (Metacello).
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
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> http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
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