Isn't the focus of Morphic 3 scalable graphics? Maybe the name should
reflect that.

On Saturday, January 9, 2010, Juan Vuletich <juan at jvuletich.org> wrote:
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> BTW, in Cuis, Morph will eventually have a lot less than 500 methods. I hope to get to about 200.
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> Very nice. It's extremely valuable to have someone with a real interest in making things smaller. Coincidentally, I'm quite okay with the idea that Cuis will always have a smaller image than a core Squeak image would be. I think the important part is to have reasonable compatibility betweeen the two. I want compatible kernel interfaces, compatible collection libraries, compatible morph protocols. In other words, anything built for Cuis should run on top of Squeak without changes.
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> Interesting. So far I have only thought about how Cuis could support stuff meant for Squeak!
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> Sure, it does go both ways - but what I meant to say is that Squeak = Cuis + X so naturally everything that works in Cuis will work in Squeak but only stuff in Squeak that doesn't use X will be able to run in Cuis. Where X might be something like MC + M17N + MorphicPlus or something like that.
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> WRT compatibility of apps with Squeak, I believe Cuis packages will fall in 3 categories:
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> 1) Stuff that is identical (almost) to Squeak. For example, I took the current Compiler categories and  Kernel-Methods to support closures. Kernel-Classes, Kernel-Objects, Kernel-Numbers and all Collections- categories could follow. These are parts of the system that are in good shape in Squeak, and have people doing great work there too. Stuff I can't really improve.
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> Agreed.
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> 2) Stuff that I have somewhat modified. I removed lots of protocol. This obviously doesn't affect porting Cuis apps to Squeak. But I also removed arguments, making some messages shorter, and added some convenience methods. This is easy to address by adding an optional 'Cuis compatibility' package for Squeak.
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> Let's not. Let's make sure Squeak support these protocols natively and build the next layer on top of it. In fact, that might be something you could start helping with today. Remember, if we end up with Squeak = Cuis + X then we can have our cake and eat it too - a nice, small microkernel and more stuff built on top of it.
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> (if you feel more comfortable adding this as a Cuis extension, feel free to do so, but I don't think it's necessary)
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> This is easy to do in any way. I'd be changing a lot in Morphic during the next months for Morphic 3, so I'd do that later, when protocols in Cuis start to stabilize.
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> 3) Stuff that is really different. For example TextStyle, and the new TextEditor application. (I'm not talking about the Editor hierarchy here. In Cuis do World/Open/Text Editor. I also have a fairly complete, not yet released, style based text editor.) These might need being ported to Squeak and will give some work. I could also include Morphic here. But I also hope to replace the current Morphic in Cuis with Morphic 3. And I also hope to be able to make Morphic 3 an optional package for Squeak and Pharo.
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> The one thing I'd recommend is not "reusing" existing namespaces. If you have a new UI framework, don't call it "Morph" or "Morphic". This only leads to confusion down the road since it can't be loaded side-by-side with Morphic. Anything you do in a separate namespace won't be a problem - we've already agreed how to deal with the underlying basics so basically this is just another application on top of Cuis which can be run on top of Squeak :-)
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> Mhhh! I think the name "Morphic 3" makes sense, as it all started after suggestions from John Maloney (in SqueakNews) and Dan Ingalls (in "Where is Squeak headed"). But I agree with your reasons too. So far, the name of the framework is "Morphic 3" and the root class is M3Morph (which I don't really like). Maybe I'd come up with a completely unrelated name. Perhaps "CuisGraphics" or something... Suggestions welcome!
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> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
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> Cheers,
>   - Andreas
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Ron