2010/1/24 Friedrich Dominicus <frido at q-software-solutions.de>:
> Josh Gargus <josh at schwa.ca> writes:
>
>>
>>
>> The "community" doesn't want only one thing, and different people in it want
>> different things to different degrees.  I don't dispute that what you have
>> described above is desirable, in principle, to the vast majority of community
>> members.  However, it is fundamentally at odds with other goals that various
>> community members hold dear.  A balance must be struck.
> You are right, but let's as it that way:
> - how many of you do activly work in the "Kernel!"
> - how many of you do use it for application development
>
> I would be suprised to see a ratio much higher than 1:10 000 or even
> 1: 100 000 (kernel dev/application dev).
>
> As I understand Keiths posting he's mainly an application developer and
> so it's clear that he does not like to re-write his code over and over
> again (for whatever good/bad technical reason).
>
> I just can tell you a story from Eiffel wonderland where this ratia
> surely was much more in favour of "application" developers.  One
> development team in Eiffel has broken old code with nearly every "minor"
> update. This means software once written and "working" just stops. If
> you ever have encountered that, you surely will understand Keiths points
> very well.
>
> There's IMHO no better way to drive away people but to break their code
> over and over again...
>
>>
>> Here's a very specific example.  I would like to see more integrated support
>> for concurrent programming in the Squeak kernel.  Toward that end,
>> I've added a
>> trivial implementation of "promises" to the trunk (hopefully, I'll take it
>> further relatively soon... one of the things I've done in the interim was to
>> re-read Mark Miller's dissertation).
> Well so you are interested in another thing. Well so you probably do not
> see the points of Keiths mails.
>
>
> Regards
> Friedrich
>
>

What I really would like is to hear about REAL compatibility problem
and not supposed compatibility problems.
That would be helpful.
Application developper SHOULD raise their voice on technical issues.
Endless political conversations on what would be a perfect Squeak in a
perfect world is just irrelevant to me: it won't lead anywhere.
Since I don't see much requests in this list, shall I conclude that
either Squeak-trunk is not used for application dev. or that there is
no major compatibility problem ?

Nicolas

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