[squeak-dev] More Candidate Questions

Ken G. Brown kbrown at mac.com
Tue Mar 9 16:18:27 UTC 2010


At 5:06 PM +0100 3/9/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>On 09.03.2010, at 16:41, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>
>> At 11:40 AM +0100 3/9/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>> On 09.03.2010, at 03:09, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At 5:37 PM -0800 3/8/10, Randal L. Schwartz apparently wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Ken" == Ken G Brown <kbrown at mac.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken> Do you intend to continue with these previous commitments?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken> If so, what do you intend to put in place in order to build a legal
>>>>> Ken> presence?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ensuring that Squeak becomes a project under the Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>>> within the next few weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Really, just curious... you know our plans... what sort of answers did you
>>>>> expect that aren't already repeatedly fully disclosed?
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in what the new Candidates say, or don't say, and not what the previous board or board members or vocal minorities say.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your responses.
>>>> You are so far one of the 3 out of 11 Candidates who have responded.
>>>>
>>>> Ken G. Brown
>>>
>>> You really want a "me too" response?
>>>
>>> Most here will know this but since we fortunately attracted new community members I'll try to summarize:
>>>
>>> Getting a legal presence established has been a community goal for years. It's where the term "Squeak Foundation" comes from - the original idea was to create a non-profit organization. Turned out none of us engineer-types could make it happen, so a while ago we decided to outsource that part. The Software Freedom Conservancy is an organization precisely for that, it provides a legal home for many projects, better and lesser known:
>>>
>>>	http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/members/
>>>
>>> The prerequisite for joining the SFC is to run a Free Software project. That's one of the major driving forces of getting a license-clean release. We're now literally days away from that release, and becoming a proper SFC member. The SOB worked with the SFC lawyers for far more than a year, but now the contract is ready to be signed.
>>>
>>> I don't really see why anyone would be opposed to that. Nobody, board member or not, spoke out previously against it. So I'd fully expect all candidates to support this, and I don't see the point of your question.
>>>
>>> But here's my short answer: Me too. ;)
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>
>> It's not what I want as a response from you that counts, it's what you want to give the community as a response that matters, and thank you for yours.
>>
>> I think that before any contract is signed on behalf of the community, it might be good for the community to be able to have a look at it beforehand and maybe even discuss it a bit? Can you provide appropriate info or links?
>>
>> One thing I would like to see is the documentation that empowers the Squeak Oversight Board to sign such a contract on behalf of the community;  'Terms of Reference', 'Constitution' or whatever. How did these SOB powers become enshrined? What gives the board the right to sign contracts on behalf of the Squeak community? Is the SOB signing on behalf of Pharo/Cuis/Cobalt/etc. as well?
>>
>> Thx,
>> Ken G. Brown
>
>We were elected, that's where our powers come from. Elected by the Squeak community, that is everyone who considers themselves to be part of it.
>
>In fact I still don't get your point. Serving on the board is much more of a duty than a fun affair. You make it sound like someone grabbed power from the rightful owners, when in fact the community is glad someone stepped up to take care of e.g. legal and financial issues.
>
>Thankfully every year we find a couple of people willing to serve on the Board too, when the only reward they can expect is knowing they are doing their share to keep Squeak alive. I still have not figured out what you consider to be your share. I mean, what *you* are doing, instead of expecting others to do.
>
>- Bert -


This isn't about what *I* am doing or not doing, it is about what you all as Candidates intend to do.

And I thank everyone that has previously served and chooses to try to serve again on the SOB.

Ken G. brown





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