For me Emacs is the best development environment, this is the vision that
push me to do TWM.

Laurent.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wacknitz at gmx.de> wrote:

> After following the discussion for some time, I have the impression that
> there are some smalltalkers suffering similar usability problems like my
> friend and me and some more or less enjoy the actual state.
> Dolphin 6 Professional introduced IdeaSpace. With that you can have both -
> single windows and tabbed windows.
> It's up to the user to either open windows outside IdeaSpace as independent
> windows or inside IdeaSpace as tabbed windows.
> Having the free choice is a good thing. Especially if you don't want to
> alienate newcomers that are used to use tabbed windows. I like this
> approach.
>
> I haven't looked at TWM yet due to lack of time. I am hardly able to read
> the mail traffic in the evenings.
> But I asked my friend to have a look at it. He promised to do so although
> it's not suited to Pharo 1.2.1.
> As Pharo 1.3 is not yet stable I fear that he might have new problems in
> other areas.
>
> What strikes me during this discussion is that nobody seem to have the same
> problem with window sizes and positions.
> I don't like RealEstateAgent and I don't think that a revamped one will
> solve the problems. At least as long it doesn't provide the possibility
> to set sizes on the fly. No algorithm can guess the requirements of all
> users.
> I also haven't heard about applications written in Squeak or Pharo and what
> about user thereof think about the usability. IMO there is a lack of
> an appropriate framework for dealing with such things. Or is everybody
> developing web applications nowadays?
>
> I have a hard time to promote Smalltalk because of its actual state. I
> always tell people about my favorite programming
> language, but I also tell them that alas there is no good implementation of
> it available. This is sad but true, even if Pharo and Squeak made
> big progress during the last months. Both, Squeak and Pharo, aren't
> products but just tools. And that makes a big difference.
> The commercial products have characteristics that make them not very
> attractive to people not yet involved. Despite Dolphin they all have
> dated user interfaces, too. When I try to convince people to have a look at
> Dolphin they typically tell me: very nice but it seems to be dead already.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
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