On 31 May 2011 19:35, Ramon Leon <ramon.leon at allresnet.com> wrote:
> On 05/31/2011 09:09 AM, radoslav hodnicak wrote:
>>
>> Personally I'm pretty comfortable and productive with the current
>> setup and the myriad of windows I can open.
>
> I am too, but in spite of all those windows, not because of it. Stockholm
> syndrome, you've probably just gotten accustomed to it.
>
>> quickly. Tabs would introduce a new constraint of the same level we
>> already have in Squeak
>
> Tabs would make it more like practically every other program available that
> needs multiple edit windows.  Tabs are better than multiple windows.  Look
> around, tabs won; the battle is over.  Tabbed browsing of the net or 15
> instances of Firefox open?  Seriously, you think multiple windows are
> better?  Really?
>
>> full screen mode). Compare the informational value of a window color +
>> window title + window position (old code left top browser, new code
>> right bottom browser etc)
>
> Meaningless when I have 15 windows open.  Position means nothing, color
> means nothing.
>
+1
at this point i am usually closing everything without even considering
what window does what,
and start over again :)

For my brain it is more than enough:
 - always see what i am currently editing (so i never lose focus)
 - 1 or 2 separate areas for various kinds of lookups , like
senders/implementors etc etc

this is enough for being productive i think.
So, i imagine a browser (or just 3 separate areas covering whole desktop),
where one is an edit space, and 2 is scratch spaces, where everything
i do there can be scratched at any moment by new query.

>> with the 5 characters of text you usually
>> get to see on a tab title once you open enough of them. I routinely
>> work with tabbed text editors for non-smalltalk stuff and once you get
>> past 5-10 open tabs, it's rather awful.
>
> It's vastly better than 15 open windows.
>
>> I can see how people coming from java or something might prefer tabs,
>
> I'm a pretty solid Smalltalker, my preference for tabs has nothing to do
> with coming from Java or not being familiar with Smalltalk.
>
>> at the same time there much worse GUI problems we should fix first -
>
> False dichotomy.  You don't ignore one problem because you think others also
> exist.  All problems are valid, no need to shift the conversation to other
> issues, this one is about tabs.
>
i dunno. many tabs are not anything better than many windows.
you will still lose time clicking on them till you will find one you wanted.

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