Alice in latest Squeak, was: Re: [squeak-dev] Balloon3D: not loading in trunk

Enrico Spinielli enrico.spinielli at googlemail.com
Tue Oct 4 13:31:38 UTC 2011


The main reason for trying to load Ballooon3D was to get Alice working
in Squeak,
if somebody has any suggestions about how to get that working I am all ears...

Thanks a lot in advance
Bye
Enrico
PS: why Alice (in Squeak) because it was easy and funny and instructive... ;-)

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 15:09, Edgar J. De Cleene <edgardec2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> On 10/4/11 10:00 AM, "Chris Cunnington" <smalltalktelevision at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> "I got a failure on VRML component as in attached log and got stuck...
> Any ideas about how to proceed?"
>
>
> Yes, you should abandon using anything that requires VRML. That technology
> is dead. That project on SqueakSource is dated from 2004.
> Andreas Raab has moved on from anything related to VRML, and I imagine you
> might benefit from doing the same. What is he using in
> it's place now? Probably OpenGL or something.
>
> I was looking at Carbon to learn about VMs. I went to ESUG, met the VM
> maintainers, and I got the message that I should move on to
> Objective C, because that's where they were going. So that's what I'm doing.
>
> I'm involved in helping to bring out the next image. The idea that the new
> image has to be able to load in any code from anywhere in
> Squeak's past just depresses me. As a team and a community we only have so
> many resources and they need to be spent wisely on things
> like making the image smaller with each iteration.
>
> I think expectations about such things need to be managed. At some point
> we've just got to say that that's the past. If you want to use
> old code then you need to stick with old images. If 4.3 doesn't accommodate
> VRML, I don't see how you can expect it to. The prospect
> exhausts me even before I've started working on the 4.3 release.
>
> Please find out what Andreas Raab moved onto and use that.
>
> Chris Cunnington
> SOB member
>
>
> Mostly I agree , but...
>
> What is wrong on using some old as long works ?
>
> Balloon3D could be loaded with hard work and maybe if we can have it could
> have a new user.
>
> In short time he realize all you said is true and follow your advice.
>
> But if we don’t take users wishes , could loose he.
>
> So , I try to have Balloon3D  in next FunSqueak, but give me time...
>
> Edgar
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>
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Enrico Spinielli
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