[squeak-dev] The Squeak vs Pharo hostility... (was Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Styled Text Editor for Cuis 4.0 Smalltalk)

Göran Krampe goran at krampe.se
Mon Apr 23 14:28:40 UTC 2012

Hey all!

On 04/23/2012 03:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>> It doesn't really matter who started it. We all like to come over this. It can happen and the only thing making it worse is to talk about the fact that it happened.
>> Yeah, I don't care either about who started it - I am just tired of it :).
> May be other people are tired by other aspects?
> No? I guess so.

I don't follow. What do you mean?

> We have a vision and people can help making it true or not. :)
> But our goal is to support business emerge (with our little mean) but we try hard.

I know and I am all behind it, 100%. The thing is, this "history" behind 
the Squeak/Pharo divide is still lurking between the lines and I 
(personally) am tired of it.

For example, I often get the feeling that my posts to this list raise 
replies as if I am some kind of "outsider", just because I was heavily 
involved in Squeak earlier or something.

I am a Pharoer too. I may be more of a bystander these days than a 
contributor (since I don't have a lot of time to spend) - but I am only 
using *Pharo* these days, not Squeak. Yup, sorry Squeak, but it is just 
the reality. I *still* wish the best for Squeak though, and all other 
open source or commercial efforts in the Smalltalk arena.

I think it would be nice if we all could be a little bit more positive 
and inclusive, especially the people who are prominent in our 
(overlapping) communities - you set the example. :)

I really don't see any gain in Pharo spewing negatives over Squeak, 
Squeak is still the inheritage of Pharo and I for one am proud of the 
friendliness of the Smalltalk community. Nor of course see I any gain in 
spewing in the other direction, it goes both ways.

Now, I suspect this light criticism wrapped up in smileys and all, and 
with all the good intentions, will still lead to negative replies. But I 
hope not. Perhaps time to simply move on? ;)

regards, Göran

PS. I love all the momentum in Pharo right now, it all looks very good, 
and I am itching digging into 1.4! Superb work.

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