On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, Pavel Krivanek wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Colin Putney <colin at wiresong.com> wrote:
>> Hi Pavel!
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Pavel Krivanek
>> <squeak1 at continentalbrno.cz> wrote:
>>
>>> Should Squeak be based on Pharo Kernel and basic packages? There were
>>> several discussions on this topic. Technically it is doable but it is
>>> politically impassable.
>>
>> Sure, technically doable. Politically, it clashes with the goal of
>> having a kernel image based on Spoon, which has been the long-term
>> plan for Squeak.
>>
>>> Should Squeak have own Squeak minimal image? How to reach that?
>>> Firstly I must say that Squeak Board should anwer this. You and Hannes
>>> are not members of the Board.
>>
>> Well, the Board generally tries to avoid making technical/aspirational
>> decisions of this nature. This is for the community at large to
>> decide. In practice, that means if there are no strenuous objections
>> and if somebody is willing to do the work, the project can go forward.
>>
>> I can also say that the Board regularly discusses modularity and
>> various options for reducing he size of the core image, so I doubt
>> there will be any objections.
>>
>>> I'm ready to help you with several simple conditions: The image will
>>> be official - the next release will simply be this minimal image +
>>> packages, the "full" image will always be produced from the minimal
>>> image by the build server, the patches will be reviewed by two other
>>> persons and integrated quickly. I simply do not want to work on a
>>> project with uncertain future. Because from my point of view it is
>>> redoing of the same work that I did several times and to look into
>>> Squeak is like to look into the past from the remodularization
>>> perspective.
>>
>> Well, as a volunteer for the 4.5 release team, I'd be happy to accept
>> your help, and commit to releasing a core image + an
>> automatically-built full image. This has long been a goal of the
>> Squeak community, we just make slower progress because we're not
>> willing to break existing functionality in Morphic and Etoys.
>>
>> Thanks for speaking up Pavel, it's good to see you on squeak-dev again!
>
> Well, some important preparation steps need to be done, firstly
> improve packages granularity:
> - remove empty MC packages (FlexibleVocabularies, Squeak-Version),

Squeak-Version is intentionally empty. We use it to ensure that the 
system's version number is increasing.


Levente

> code to get them:
>
> MCWorkingCopy allInstances select: [:wc | wc package snapshot
> definitions isEmpty]
>
> - split System package to packages corresponding to its categories
> (System-Applications, System-Change Notification, System-Changes...)
> and unregister System package
> - split Multilingual package to packages corresponding to its
> categories and unregister Multilingual package
>
> Can you do that?
> -- Pavel
>
>>
>> Colin
>>
>
>