[squeak-dev] Re: Are Objects really hard?
janko.mivsek at eranova.si
Mon Feb 27 11:37:11 UTC 2012
Just to conclude this topic: there is a nice talk between Dave Thomas
(of OTI fame where IBM VisualAge Smalltalk and nowadays VA Smalltalk
came out), James Robertson and David Buck in recent Independent
IM 67: Have Objects Failed Us?
What I like is a discussion about OO vs. relational world and ORM in the
second half, which is also by my opinion the reason why OO didn't
succeed more as it did, and why is considered hard for most of
developers until our days.
S, Janko Mivšek piše:
> Hi guys,
> Again one interesting topic for this weekend to discuss. David Nolen, a
> Programming  where he said:
> "...Yet I think Smalltalk still fundamentally failed (remember this is a
> programming language originally designed to scale from children to
> adults) because *Objects are really hard* and no-one really understands
> to this day how to do them right...."
> He links to Alan Kay post  back in 1998 where he talks about problems
> with inheritance:
> "Here are a few problems in the naive inheritance systems we use today:
> confusions of Taxonomy and Parentage, of Specialization and Refinement,
> of Parts and Wholes, of Semantics and Pragmatics..."
> Let we concentrate on broader "Objects are really hard and no-one really
> understands to this day how to do them right" claim and not merely
> inheritance, please.
> Best regards
>  http://dosync.posterous.com/illiterate-programming
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