[squeak-dev] Re:NativeBoost and NBOpenGL on Mac?

Lawson English lenglish5 at cox.net
Fri Jan 13 17:29:16 UTC 2012

There's bound to be a way. Perhaps an array of requests, followed by an 
array of responses, that can be normalized in a cross-platform way?

The fact that the responses might be platform specific doesn't matter as 
long as they are consistent within the platform, right?
You just need 2-way glue: 1 way to create the query and the other to put 
the query in a cross-platform format that can be used by the rest of the 


On 1/11/12 3:39 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> On 11 January 2012 20:10, Lawson English<lenglish5 at cox.net>  wrote:
>> [pharo list added back in for real this time]
>> Would it be best to have a VM primitive that actually gives this info in a
>> cross-platform way since it is going to be more and more useful as time goes
>> on?
> one big issue with such primitive is lack of options which i able to
> contol for context i creating.
> As you may know there's a lot of different options , like
>   - depth buffer bits, color buffer bits, alpha bits number of back
> buffers, subpixel antialiazing,
>   auxuliarry buffers etc
> as i said before in other posts.. it is really hard to create a
> primitive which will allow
> you to control all those options, especially a cross-platform one.
> I know that for most users you could take 1 pixel format, 1 back
> buffer and you free to go,
> but it just doesn't feels right to me, why we should lose all the
> variety of control and put constrains at context creation stage.
> That's why i striving for controlling context creation at image side,
> and if that requires writing a platform-specific code
> in image, so be it. But then i could make sure that you could access
> all OpenGL capabilities similar to C/C++ code,
> without limitations.
> For beginners, these options may mean nothing, but for those who
> dealing with OpenGL at more advanced levels, trust me,
> they simply cannot live without it. Many advanced opengl examples and
> rendering techniques requiring fine control on context creation.
>> On 1/11/12 11:56 AM, Hans-Martin Mosner wrote:
>>> Am 11.01.2012 19:18, schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
>>>> ...
>>>> This primitive encapsulates the platform-dependent part of creating an
>>>> OpenGL rendering context. OpenGL itself is platform-independent, but
>>>> creating a window is not. The plugin has code for Mac, Windows, and Unix.
>>>> So this creates a new borderless window that gets embedded in the "big"
>>>> main window. It also creates an OpenGL context for that window and makes it
>>>> current. After calling the primitive you can use any OpenGL commands to draw
>>>> directly into it using the hardware renderer. I don't see a good reason why
>>>> you would not want to use it.
>>>> - Bert -
>>> I'm currently also experimenting with this (under Linux) and it looks like
>>> this does not fully work on my system - the
>>> OpenGL output seems to be displayed for a very short moment, and then only
>>> teh Squeak desktop is visible again.
>>> Of course, it's nice to have the platform-dependent part within the
>>> primitive, but at least for Windows and Linux/X11
>>> creating an OpenGL context is not really difficult, so since we already
>>> have platform-dependent OpenGL subclasses
>>> anyway, there is no strong reason to keep the context creation stuff in
>>> primitive code.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hans-Martin

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