SSMS

or of course maybe

"Smalltalk Short Messages Sends"

:)

HH

On 5/9/12, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I agree with Göran that Tirade may coexist with JSON and STON.
>
> However to bring it up to a level of a viable alternative at least
> some 50..70 additional hours of work are needed. This estimate is
> based on playing around with it a bit with it one week ago.
>
> I think what Tirade desperately needs at the moment is a fully worked
> out example and more test cases. Here STON has an advantage because it
> can rely on an existing specification.
>
>
> Regarding the number of test cases.
> I do not like to entrust my data to a system which only has 7 test
> cases. STON has 80 and is backward compatible to something I know.
>
> However to be fair, the 7 test cases in Tirade are complex and can be
> split into different smaller ones making it easier to tackle what is
> going on.
>
> In terms of the name I agree with Janko, from a marketing perspective
> it is not useful at all all. It is actually not all that technical, it
> is about data exchange by sending messages. The original idea of
> Smalltalk in 1980.
>
> Something like
>
> SSMS
>
> - simple smalltalk message sends
> - simple smalltalk messages sequence
> - smalltalk subset message sends
> - smalltalk subset messages sequence
>
> A name which is more self-explanatory to a Smalltalker and it this
> sense is 'technical'.
>
> Interesting as well it the possibility to implement it in other
> languages such as
> JavaScript
> Java
> C-Sharp
> Python
> Ruby
> ....
>
> But as I said that could be a lot of work (specification,
> implementation, tests and documentation) and so the example given in
> Smalltalk needs to we more worked out.
>
> Thank you for this interesting discussion
> --Hannes
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/8/12, Göran Krampe <goran at krampe.se> wrote:
>> Hey!
>>
>> On 05/08/2012 10:05 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
>>> Hi Göran,
>>>
>>> One quick note: STON has more chance to be adopted than Tirade simply
>>> because of the name. STON is closer to JSON in people's mind, while
>>> Tirade, what that means?
>>
>> Do note that IMHO Tirade does not really compete with STON/JSON. As I
>> think I wrote in the article I tend to think JSON trumphs STON but that
>> Tirade may be more powerful and interesting in some Smalltalk specific
>> cases.
>>
>>> For me it sounds something tyran-like , pretty
>>> non-attractive therefore. And because most of us don't have time to go
>>> to details, such outside things like name matters. We are also more and
>>> more choosing things based on their perception and not reality.  More on
>>> their outside form than on their real value.
>>
>> Hmmm, I don't think I agree that the name is all that important for this
>> kind of highly *technical* packages.
>>
>> STON is closer to JSON which is good since it basically is a true
>> superset and tries to fill the exact same niche.
>>
>> But I agree, for "high profile" packages naming is important - like I
>> convinced Nicolas to rename JTalk to something nicer.
>>
>> Tirade was just a funny name based on the "cascade" nature of the format:
>>
>> "a long angry speech or scolding. Synonyms: diatribe, harangue, rant"
>>
>> I mean, don't people have a sense of humor? :)
>>
>>> So, to have bigger adoption rate we need to take care about naming
>>> things as well.
>>
>> Hehe, well... I am sorry Janko, I don't think Tirade is such a bad name
>> and I don't think it would be worth renaming either.
>>
>> Any other more technical thoughts/comments?
>>
>> regards, Göran
>>
>>
>